On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:04 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > . > > Corrpution of insufficiently-checked power is well documented > in historical studies of the rise and fall of powerful states. Secrecy > is essential to preventing democracy. > > Seepage, transparency and openings are also natural and inevitable in any social system that utilizes secrecy (see G Simmel)--democracy or no democracy. And if you want more transparency, find a market for it. Guaranteed many of those NSA et al analysts will join up if the money's good cause a lot of em aren't even thinking about the glories of national security. Whopper pay checks produce allegiance. And, really, it's a duck dynasty mentality anyway--spooks are mostly kooks wanting to hunt, to eat snow cones, and to say a prayer at the end of the day thanking The Lord for their meal. They's pretty simple folk at the end of the day, which is part of the problem.