Excuse sending this drone to whack Santa's reindeer near the "holiday season." It may not be known to subscribers that the policy of "freelists.org" is to share the information of the lists it hosts "for free" as a contribution to "freedom of information." Got it, the free stuff is used to snatch personal data for who knows what purpose: "we take your privacy very seriously." This is characteristic of anything free online and off, the purpose of which it gather data and metadata on those who relish "free" services and products, whether government, commerce, non-profits, religion, social media, mail lists, chat rooms, encryption, anonymity, and so on. Cryptome's miserable lament, and complicity, is that every operator of a service on the Internet is snatching personal data by way of access logs, ostensibly essential for system administration but mostly used for nefaria, that is, to advance mostly the interests of the operator by leastly serving the interests of users. There has never been a more comprehensive spying machine than the Internet. No tyrant has ever had such capacity, had so many spies, posters and lurkers working to operate a joint spy machine, greedily working beneath public awareness to snoop on each others' behavior, to use that data and metadata duplicitously, concealed by deceptive "privacy policy" and "freedom of information" whitewash. All the while screaming "guilty" at official and commercial spies and law enforcement and private spies for doing much less harm to trust and cooperation among the citizenry who is persuaded "openness" is the badge of democracy not a ruse to take far more than given. Stasi KGB, Mossad, TLAs don't come close to this ubiquity of fingerpointing to divert attention from sneak thieves like this mail list. social media, encryption advocates, and ta da, Cryptome. Got that? Like Google, like Apple, like all the giants, just confess nefaria and promise to promise to promise.