[cryptome] Re: Freedom of Speech: Caricatures of the Prophet Mohammet

  • From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:51:59 +0000

nicely put Doug.
I have two very distinct points of view with regard to religion;

1) the bible. in whatever form it is written( and apparently all the
major religious texts say much the same thing) I refer to as "the book
of contradictions.

2) God, in whatever way shape or form he/she/it is depicted is mankind's
personification or humanization of the combined forces of nature by
virtue of the fact that nature is largely outside of the control of
mankind and invisible.( save for its effects of course).


On 14/01/2015 11:18, doug wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
> I never read newspapers or magazines these days...One pays for
> editorial propaganda and being a target of advertisers. And I would
> never dream of insulting anyone because of their religion or religious
> beliefs...far too many other things going on in my life, which are
> much more interesting.  However, in the interests of free speech, I
> pay lip service to others who have such bees in their bunnets.
> You can of course, if you are interested, see caricatures, paintings,
> likenesses and so on of the Prophet Mohammed, in the Guggenhiem Museum
> in New York, and they are also on show if you ask to see them, at the
> British Library.  I dare say that there are many other historical
> records kept in the leading cities of the world. These likenesses were
> mainly created in the 8th Century or thereabouts, and are absolutely
> beatiful and were never considered as contentious.  They were created
> by Muslim artists.  Not all parts of the Muslim religion are united in
> their opposition to the publishing  of pictures of Mohammed.  And the
> Caliphs and I believe certain sections of the Shi'ites still use them
> in every day worship...and Muslim artists still create them every
> day.  There are of course, certain Islaamic countries where pictures
> or effigies of Jews and Jesus Christ are burnt or stoned every day,
> with, or without state sanction.  One doesn't hear of them very often
> of course...international diplomacy being what it is....
> The trouble I have found with this world, is that some learned people,
> who should know better, just don't have a clue what they are talking
> about.  I have also found that most very religious people, with whom I
> have spoken, have very little knowledge of the history of their own
> religion.  Like most of the irreligious, they tend to pick out the
> "nice" bits in life and believe in that, and forget the contentious
> bits.  How else would one get through life.  The study of the history
> of religion, I, of course, find fascinating.
> see url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad
> see url: http://islamqa.info/en/10452
> Why people shouldn't have pictures of Mohammed, particularly
> Christians.  The Muslim faith came into being some four centuries
> after Christianity...not that that means anything....:-)
> C'est la vie....
> Dougie.


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