[cryptome] Re: FW: Netanyahu is a naughty boy and has been told off by Obama

  • From: Ryan Carboni <ryacko@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 15:23:13 -0700

you know why two states are good:

   - It has been argued by some people that the policy of partition always
   led to Civil War. It certainly did in India and Cyprus and Palestine and
   Ireland. This was no bad thing for Britain. It kept them busy and instead
   of fighting us they fought each other. This meant that it was no longer
   necessary to have a policy about them


On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Douglas Rankine <
douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
> What a peculiar and confusing world we live in.
> See url:
> http://www.timesofisrael.com/obama-netanyahus-anti-arab-remarks-risk-eroding-israeli-democracy
> See url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black
> Netanyahu stands accused by Obama of making racist remarks about Arab
> voters because a lot of them were exercising their rights of freedom of
> speech, freedom of association and freedom of expression, by going to the
> polls in the Israeli General Election en masse.
> Personally, I thought Netanyahu was only making an astute observation , to
> try and rally more Jewish voters to vote for his party, Likud, so that they
> would win the general election.  And it showed, too,  how much the Israeli
> Arabs believe in the present system, that they were all rushing to vote,
> knowing that the parties they support couldn’t win.  Of course, he could
> have and should have welcomed and encouraged such an increased
> participation by the Israeli Arabs in the electoral process of their nation
> state, but such is the nature of politics and its relationships with
> religious organisations...Henry V111 and the Reformation, springs to mind.
> In the countries and governments of the British Isles, by an accident of
> birth, Catholics and Protestants butchered, tortured and maimed one another
> on the basis of the religion of their Monarch, no matter what government
> existed.  Rehabilitation after their death and that of the monarch, though
> pointless, was very sweet... J. Eventually, the natives of the United
> Kingdom learned to live together in peace and use the democratic process
> for resolving differences.
>   Very shortly before the Israeli election, in fact the day before,
> Netanyahu also  said that there was no way he would support a two state
> Israel...and then, after he was elected, he withdrew the policy.  Such a
> volte face is not unusual for a politician of course, especially a leading
> one on the world’s stage.  (I change my mind constantly, though I am not a
> politician, just a human being)... J.   There was also some discussion
> promoted by Netanyahu and certain sections of Israeli society to change the
> Israeli Constitution to include the phrase “Jewish and Democratic State”,
> as it doesn’t contain this at the moment, though it does occur in other
> documents relating to the constitution.  I believe that this discussion is
> still ongoing...though, whether it will survive the post election period is
> another matter.
> One can see his tactic. It is part of the long term strategy for Israel to
> exercise its international legal rights granted by the League of Nations
> Mandate and subsequent mandates and resolutions for its existence on the
> world stage, within the terms and boundaries of the original Mandate drawn
> up in 1922. Nothing wrong with that, again, in fact it should be welcomed,
> a peaceful, political route is being pursued, even if it is hypocritical.
> Most, if not all rulers of nation states are quite prepared and willing to
> expand their territory, power and control they have in the world. In my
> view it is all part of human nature and a fact of the nation state.  The
> ruling elites all want to turn their nation states into empires.
> An unfortunate consequence of the present constitutional changes being
> debated in Israel would be that Israeli Arabs would be in danger of being
> excluded from the same rights as Jewish citizens, because there would not
> be the same rights for Arab immigration into a greater Israel, as there is
> for the Jewish population.   One of the many and great difficulties facing
> the Jewish citizens of Israel is a demographic one, in that the birth rate
> amongst the Arab population is greater than that amongst the Jewish
> one...and this is another reason for which the Jewish people feel
> threatened.  Not only do they feel that the survival of their state is
> threatened from the inside, but also from the outside, being surrounded by
> Arab states who are all dominated by the Muslim religion and are very
> hostile to the Jewish religion and to the formation of a Jewish State, and
> to the Jewish people...hence the wars and terrorism which has befallen
> them.   This situation is not helped by the policies of Western
> governments, who interfere on the basis of pursuing their own interests in
> foreign policy and economics.  The Middle East conflict is a great place
> for engineering, promoting and exacerbating conflicts.  It helps with the
> marketing, sales and distribution of arms and materials, and places like
> the UK, the US, Russia and European countries have armaments as one of
> their main and very profitable exports.  And they have exported arms and
> other military resources to all countries in the Middle East, at various
> times, both overtly and covertly.  I dare say that China too, should be on
> this list.
> Another reason why Netanyahu has called for Jewish families to emigrate to
> Israel is to increase the economic, political, social, cultural and
> military power of the Israeli State.    This policy serves three purposes,
> it increases the Jewish population of Israel and it helps protect them from
> anti-Semite pogroms around the world.  A bigger population tends to aid the
> chances of survival of their nation state and promote prosperity.  A big
> difficulty for this policy to work is that the Israeli economy is in a very
> poor state, with high unemployment and a huge shortage of affordable
> housing.  And of course, a lot of the Jewish Diaspora and their families
> are quite prosperous, happy, healthy and content living where they are now,
> despite any increase in anti-Semitism.  Mind you, it isn’t the only country
> suffering from such difficulties... J.  There is a Scottish Diaspora all
> over the world, due to the defeat of the Clan system and the Highland
> Clearances, when Scots peasants were replaced by sheep.   The sheep may
> have gone, but the Scots stayed abroad... J.
>   There was a similar circumstance in Northern Ireland, where the Catholic
> minority has a higher birth rate than the Protestants.  This led to trouble
> in the 1960s, and eventually extreme violence, because the Protestant
> majority and Catholic minority felt threatened by one another.  There was
> also a lot of resentment amongst Catholics and Protestants because of the
> UK  of 1922 Government of Ireland Act which split up Ireland into two parts
> way back in the 1920’s.  Up until that time the whole of Ireland had been a
> British Colony, as was Palestine, the land of Israel.
>   The troubles of course, led to much terrorism and bombings, both in
> Northern Ireland and in the UK.  There were many organisations in the US
> who sent money and helped with resources to the IRA because there are many
> Irish émigrés there and they thought they were helping a liberation
> struggle.   Gaddafi’s Libya contributed arms, amongst other countries.  The
> splitting of Protestant and Catholic communities into two camps was further
> enforced with political terrorist gangs of the two denominations dressed up
> as political activists, and supporting political parties, one calling for a
> closer capitalist relationship with the Crown, the other one calling itself
> socialist for a transfer of the land and communities of Northern Ireland
> to Eire.  Knee-capping, beatings, bullying and protection rackets to fund
> their organisations, were the order of the day, as the state police were
> squeezed out as they were considered as allies of the British government.
> The situation wasn’t helped by the UK government and the secret war, the
> sending in of troops and the massacre of Catholics, which exacerbated the
> situation. The fact that one cell of the British secret services was
> fighting other cells in these gangs, trying to unmask each other’s agent
> provocateurs and spies unbeknownst to head office, didn’t help much either!
> (A need to connect up the dots...to quote a famous phrase by Obama)... J.
> Eventually, the people of the province got tired of the violence, came to
> the conclusion that nothing was going to be achieved by it; and, eventually
> a peace deal was signed by all the major parties to the conflict, which,
> with one or two exceptions, has been kept to.  The Northern Ireland
> government now operates under a similar status to that of Scotland and
> Wales, with a regional government created under the rules of the European
> Union.  The old combatants have united into settling their differences
> through peaceful political debate and measures in the local parliament.
> Eventually, the Catholic population in Northern Ireland will outnumber the
> Protestant one...in around 30 or 40 years at present rates...what will
> happen then, is anyone’s guess...political situations and circumstances
> change constantly.
> This attack by Obama is a bit rich in my view. He is presiding over US
> police forces who are throttling black people in the streets by the
> thousand, using illegal methods of arresting and detention and shooting
> other citizens who are innocent of any crime.  Such practices are without
> any legal authority under the US constitution, or the regulations covering
> police operating and command systems...and he doesn’t, or can’t do anything
> about it.
> It is very easy for Obama to criticise Netanyahu.
>   The United States itself is a product of an armed conflict between the
> UK and the colonial settlers from the rest of Europe, the War for
> Independence and the Civil War, black slavery and the slaughter of native
> Americans and the resettlement of what was left of the tribes on poor
> quality land.   Racism is rife, the representation of ethnic minorities
> in the government and top echelons of the Civil Services is small.
> One question in my mind which arises out of all of this.  Why and how does
> the US see a two state solution regarding Israel and the Arabs living in
> the area...as a way of resolving these problems?  If a two state solution
> were created, would it lead to peace between the various groupings,
> factions and nations?...
> Wouldn’t it be a wonderful thing if we could get rid of all states of any
> kind...but there again...that’s what makes me such a romantic... J.
> Dougie.

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