[cryptome] Re: FBI v Apple Warrant; Questions of Security of the State and Privacy of the Individual

  • From: Michael Best <themikebest@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 06:45:40 -0500

Data decays and successive rewrites makes some if not all of the data
disappear. There's a limit to what can be retrieved, it doesn't stretch
back indefinitely. If there's a *credible *paper that says there is no
limit, I'd love to see it.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:50 AM, douglas rankine <
douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Michael
No...it isn't an overstatement.  I read a piece of research published on
cryptome some time ago which said this could be done.  I can't remember the
name of the paper, but it was in the last year or so I think.  I will have
a look for it and see if I can find it.  I do remember that did raise it on
this mailing list at the time, so perhaps I will find it that way, as I
usually give a url.  I personally don't  have the computer skills to know
whether the research was valid, or of sufficient objective quality and of
sufficiently high scientific standard, or what the limits explored were...

If you remember,  whiz kiddies used by GCHQ  went into the Guardian
Newspaper and took the computers apart and physically destroyed the hard
disks so that no one would have access to the Snowden data...I believe that
photos of the motherboard and the hard disks were published on
Cryptome...there was some discussion at the time as to why they did this,
the reasoning being that it was the only way they could assure that the
Guardian physically complied with the court order... :-)

Also, on further reading of the warrant below.  The FBI have established
that the information on the iphone involved was backed up to the cloud,
which means that information on the iphone will be available in the event
of the iphone's storage devices being destroyed.

 The back up will not be a true reflection of the iphone of course, as it
may be a little out of date. However, it does mean that the FBI will, if
what I am saying is true, be able to get access to most of the information
using their super-duper forensics and software... However, they still say
that due to the uniqueness of the software and the processes, and the fact
that it is copyright, they require the full co-operation of Apple to
produce a file which contains the necessary forensics to overcome the
non-erase featuere etc.
ATB
Dougie.


On 20/02/2016 10:09, Michael Best wrote:


On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:06 AM, douglas rankine <
<douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Here is a question I have posed before....never did get an answer... As I
understand it, any information can be retrieved from a digital storage
device,going right back to the time it was first used, unless it is
physically destroyed, even if it has been erased by the best of forensic
cleansing.


I think that's either an overstatement, or I misunderstand your meaning.
(If it was knowing hyperbole, then just ignore me.)


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