[cryptome] Re: DIY Spy Germicide

  • From: In Harms Way <11414150173@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 22:23:42 +0300

Thanks, John, very well said.

Humanity only learns by trial and error and by communicating the results
to like-minded - so that others don't waste time on the wrong path.
That is the slingshot we have to hit right into the eye of Goliath and
fell the scoundrels.

And those with Stockholm syndrome in the Panopticum actually have to be
kicked too.

John Young wrote, On 11/08/2013 20:02:
> It is a challenge to resist the temptation of no security will work
> against powerful attackers. Security experts go back and forth
> on this: whether to terrify or to solace, with all sides warning
> against false hope and false hopelessness.
> This is hardly limited to security, it applies as well to knowledge,
> belief, love. Faith versus skepticism, anxiety versus pharmaceuticals,
> diplomacy verus war, talk versus action, realism versus idealism,
> existentialism versus essentialism, all time combat doubt versus
> certainty.
> These convert to amateur versus expert. Amatuers usually
> prevail due to the hardheadness and overconfidence of
> experts who have a failure rate of 100% compared to
> amateurs rate of much less than that, though variable
> and hard to predict.
> But amateurs are the innovators, risk takers, fumblers,
> geniuses, idiot savants, mavericks, outliers, loners,
> cranks, curmudgeons, jerks, inepts, disfunctional,
> disorderly, usually poor but sometimes rich as
> Croseus thus able to screw up without losing their
> income and adoring fans.
> Security is a racket but so are most organized endeavors,
> the key fault is organized -- this has to leave out what
> doesn't fit the mold of conventional wisdom. Organizers
> hate and fear amateurs. Self-regulating organizations,
> SEC's SROs, as with all officially sanctioned professions,
> religions, and philosophers, self-deal and cheat their
> followers not because they are merely venal, but because
> "others do it, so must we."
> DIY has become a self-regulating racket, also known
> as democracy, so why should it not go against the spies
> determination to exterminate what they see as deadly
> germs out to destroy secrecy.
> At 12:15 PM 8/11/2013, you wrote:
>> On 8/11/2013 7:30 AM, John Young wrote:
>>> DIY Germicide:
>>> http://prism-break.org
>>> http://lockerproject.org/
>>> https://securityinabox.org/
>>> http://eyebeam.org/research/calls/request-for-proposals-prism-break-up
>> Is 'SPY Germicide' vaporware? Does anyone believe these ideas will
>> work?  Good intentioned, wishful thinking, falling back to nostalgic
>> memes of simpler times won't get us to the promised land. (It did
>> earn Snowden a little refugee time in Russia).
>> The Government and Commercial versions of the Panopticon are way
>> ahead of all Prism-break's pretend solutions. In all probability, the
>> Panopticon is the eyes and ears of the coming Singularity.
>> There will be no new version of Kristallnacht to break up the
>> Panopticon's prisms.  The prisms will reflect the details of the
>> revolution before it ever gets underway.
>> -- 
>> All my email is subject to viewing by the Panopticon ::
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon ::
>> Except in the imaginations of the netizens there is no real secrecy
>> or privacy on the Internets. The powers that be have been elevated to
>> lofty positions of near omnipresence. Enjoy, adapt, and survive.

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