[cryptome] Re: Citizen 4 on UK TV Channel 4 at 11 p.m.

  • From: LEACHMAN Cliff <dr.leachman@xxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:43:59 -0800

Jamming cigars up her vagina and masturbating as she danced and shooting sperm 
across the room on to the dress is WHAT? Not sex?
On 2015-02-27, at 4:39 PM, Shaun O'Connor wrote:

> given the public expose I am inclined to agree with you. I would have been 
> mortified had i been in the same position as himself.
> 
> On 27/02/2015 23:41, doug wrote:
>> Hi Shaun,
>> 
>> Clinton said, "I did not have sex with that woman".  And he was right, he 
>> was telling the truth.  He took advice from one of the US.s top specialist 
>> lawyers and a judge on the subject and he was advised that what he did "with 
>> that woman" could not be constituted as having sex, no matter what the 
>> public thought...en masse.
>> 
>> Rape is defined as the entry of 1 inch of penis into the vagina without 
>> continuing consent of the woman.  His penis was nowhere near "that woman's" 
>> vagina, probably because it was so bent and pointing upwards whilst she was 
>> kneeling down, also, in the alternative, it is not known whether "that 
>> woman" uttered any form of coherent consent, from the beginning to the end 
>> of oral consumation and ejaculation.
>> 
>> Those latter remarks are pure hearsay of course, so don't quote me.  I never 
>> actually saw the photo he had to have taken of his penis... :-) .  Mind you, 
>> it might be on the Congress court record somewhere.  I wonder if John would 
>> be able to get a copy...and put it on Cryptome...in the pursuit of free 
>> speech of course... :-) .  Or perhaps it is classified as a 
>> compartmentalised top secret document...locked up for 50 years  :-) .
>> 
>> Joking aside, it must have been a terrible for his family to handle...
>> ATB
>> Dougie.
>> 
>> On 27/02/15 23:22, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Doug.
>>> Do I know any honest people? hmmm. I know many who say they are honest but 
>>> there is a world of difference between declaring oneself as being honest 
>>> and actually being 100% honest, I think all of of us fib from time to time 
>>> if truth be told.
>>> nowt wrong with that if it does no harm imho.
>>> 
>>> reminds me of the Clinton fiasco when wots his name declared rather lamely
>>> "I'm trying to be honest here", i think he got caught having an extra 
>>> marital affair if memory serves.
>>> 
>>> I could never decide whether to feel sorry for the guy or gloat over his 
>>> misfortune at getting caught.
>>> 
>>> ATB
>>> 
>>> Shaun 
>>> 
>>> On 27/02/2015 22:41, doug wrote:
>>>> Hi Shaun,
>>>> He is 89 years old...I shouldn't think he is doing it for the money.  He 
>>>> is spending money on the court case, hoping to prevent the showing and 
>>>> distribution of the film...and protect the secrets of the US government.  
>>>> A bit late, but never mind.  It depends on how long he is going to pursue 
>>>> his case regarding the publication of classified documents, remember, even 
>>>> when classified documents are in the public domain, it doesn't remove 
>>>> their secret classification...and what support he is getting or hoping to 
>>>> get.  It might finish up as damp squib, or a big bang as it comes up to 
>>>> the US electiion.  Who knows what motives and intentions he is pursuing, 
>>>> apart from what it says on the face of his court case.
>>>> 
>>>>   As for truth...in my view, there are many of them... it is just a 
>>>> question of picking the ones that serve one best...and learning to discard 
>>>> them and adopt new ones when they become inconvenient. :-) 
>>>> ATB
>>>> Dougie.
>>>> P.S. Do you know any honest people... :-) 
>>>> 
>>>> On 27/02/15 22:20, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
>>>>> Hi Doug
>>>>> I got my movie for free, and yes it was quite interesting. microwaves are 
>>>>> great Faraday cages.( just remember to take the mobile out before turning 
>>>>> the thing on). fridges are great for prolonging trace memory on a ram 
>>>>> chip ( but you have to be bloody nippy and get the chip in the freezer 
>>>>> within 30 seconds of power down),
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regarding the blanket scene I had myself asking the question is this guy 
>>>>> for real? I got the impression that while he is plainly quite articulate 
>>>>> , he was scared stiff but didn't want to make too much play of it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And as for Edwards making a big hoo ha over the film, i think he is just 
>>>>> trying to get money off the producers of the film under the pretext of 
>>>>> damage. looking at the case material( such as i have read thus far), he 
>>>>> seems to be changing his tactics each time he gets rebuffed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As to the matter of "truth"now let me cogitate upon that one. ....yes 
>>>>> "truth" is that which we as a society accept as such by a combination of 
>>>>> mutual agreement and subtle coercion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ATB
>>>>> 
>>>>> Shaun aka Paddington bear.
>>>>> On 27/02/2015 21:39, doug wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Shaun,
>>>>>> I watched the film on Channel 4.  Things come free to those who wait :-) 
>>>>>>  .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  I am thinking about suing Edwards, of Edwards v Snowden, for 
>>>>>> misrepresentation.  I didn't suffer from aches and pains, mental and 
>>>>>> physical anguish.  I wasn't psychologically destroyed by the failure in 
>>>>>> US and UK national security.  I have no immediate or long term fear of 
>>>>>> Al Quaeda creating another 9/11  (at least no more immediate than I have 
>>>>>> a fear of the world being destroyed by nuclear weapons). I don't see the 
>>>>>> terrorists rising up and using other methods of communication to 
>>>>>> overcome NSA or GCHQ surveillance.  They may have gone all quiet and 
>>>>>> returned to the language of the W.O.M.B...who knows.  Jihadi John 
>>>>>> continues his work, and I day say that his asshole is squeaking now that 
>>>>>> his true identity has been discovered.  Osama Ben Laden comes to mind...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Of course, the terrorists might have been responsible for engineering 
>>>>>> the downfall of Sir Malcolm Rifkind, Chairman  of the UK Intelligence 
>>>>>> and Security Committee, by paying Channel 4 to set him up in a sting 
>>>>>> operation,  with a new job with a new Chinese company asking how much it 
>>>>>> would cost for him and the Straw man to approach Ambassadors and others 
>>>>>> of influence in the government, but I tend to think that it was more to 
>>>>>> do with their big ego.  They should learn to work harder at their age, 
>>>>>> instead of lounging about earning a fortune at the taxpayers expense and 
>>>>>> travelling the world on public expense accounts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In fact, quite the opposite from Mr. Edwards, I quite enjoyed the film, 
>>>>>> it put everything together for me.  I have seen better, but at least it 
>>>>>> didn't cost too much to make.  I particularly liked the keeping of 
>>>>>> mobile phones in the fridge...or was it the microwave? The wearing of 
>>>>>> the  blanket by Snowden to prevent surreptitious intrusion on his 
>>>>>> air-gapped computer by the powers that be was either a master stroke or 
>>>>>> streak                 of paranoi, (didn't I read an article somewhere, 
>>>>>> by some well respected security consultant  whose air-gapped computer 
>>>>>> somehow, even after being swiped and forensically cleaned and a new, 
>>>>>> clean operating system installed, still finished up with a compromised 
>>>>>> operating system?) and lying of the NSA and CIA Directors at the house 
>>>>>> committees after swearing the oaths of telling the truth.  I dare say 
>>>>>> that their lying was completely unwitting of course...they never ever 
>>>>>> lie on purpose.  No means no...doesn't it... :-) .  The NSA and the 
>>>>>> other intelligence and security services do NOT collect US citizens 
>>>>>> data, content and metadata on purpose.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ATB
>>>>>> Dougie.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 25/02/15 22:16, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
>>>>>>> already have the3 movie.;-)
>>>>>>> On 25/02/2015 20:51, doug wrote:
>>>>>>>> Citizen 4 on UK TV Channel 4 at 11 p.m. 
>>>>>>>> For your information... 
>>>>>>>> Enjoy...:-). 
>>>>>>>> ATB 
>>>>>>>> Dougie. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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