[cryptome] Re: Chinese Military Creates High-Level Cyber Intelligence Center

  • From: doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 14:57:00 +0100

Hi Jeremy,
The US, the Brits and other "western" states are not the only clever people in the world...neither do they have the most aggressive, cunning, scheming or malign governments. Every state in my view, has its own ruling circles, its establishment, bureauocracy and every state has its rifts, splits, divisions, differences of approach, and those differences are based on many different judgements, interpretations and criteria.

In the same way that we don't make the mistake of seeing the US or the Brits as one amorphous, united whole...we mustn't see other states in the same way, in my view. Whether we like it or not, there is a law of uneven development, and there is a law of survival of nation states, sometimes it bursts out in war, sometimes it comes down to flag waving. All options are open and at times it is the law of the jungle which prevails more than any law of civilisation...if there is such a thing. As individuals, we will never know all that goes on behind the scenes regarding the relationships between world governments, international conglomerates and so on. We might think we know, but there is always something comes along, which turns it all tits up. In my view, too, we are passed the stage when simple analysis of international situations will suffice. One of the many things which the development of computers and I.T. have brought up is that there is so much information, so much data to be collected, collated, analysed, advised and acted upon, that it makes it extremely difficult to work out priorities in foreign, economic, social or even cultural policy. Huge armies of bureaucrats and civil servants, public bodies, academic institutions, schools of interpretation abound these days. And diplomacy between states increases and becomes more complicated all the time. There is a struggle for increasingly scarce natural resources, and the human brain has the ability and the imagination to consume far more resources, than the world manufacturers and producers can possibly provide.

At the moment, I am just reading a document put up on Cryptome the other day...see url:


It is an academic US analysis of the current and medium to longer term military relationships which exist between the two states and an attempt at putting the positions of the two countries into some kind of perspective, with the intention of avoiding misunderstandings if not conflict in the present and in the future. Most people don't read such stuff, they find it boring, or too complicated, or that it takes too long; or write it off as propaganda...that is up to them of course, one mans meat is another mans poison. I am also reading a couple of other long documents which John Young has kindly put on Cryptome for our perusal, but even though I have plenty of time in my retirement, I can't and have no intention of reading them all...life is too short... At the end of the day though, I am convinced of this...it is the survival of the fittest and always will be, and by survival of the fittest, I don't mean necessarily the strongest...but those who are the most flexible. China and the US are playing a careful game with one another...they have to...because they have the capability of virtually destroying each other and half the worlds populations along with them...Peaceful co-existence as a concept, is not yet dead...
c'est la vie.

On 04/07/14 14:18, Jeremy Compton wrote:
Yes, though l suppose it depends who is telling the story to which audience. This is a pro western email list, reporting about that bad Chinese government, who is doing all these things wrong. It is reported on a US email list.

However ever, if you were an Iranian or someone who did not sympathise with the US then you would have a different opinion. But l do certainly agree with your point.

China is or could be argued to be conduction a Neo Imperialist agenda like the Brits did a long time ago with the colonies of her majesty's realm.

The British government had a go for a while and then it was the turn of the US and now it is the turn of the Chinese. The Chinese are just not so friendly as those lovely freedom loving western people :)


Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:25:31 +0100
From: capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx
To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [cryptome] Re: Chinese Military Creates High-Level Cyber Intelligence Center

Intriguing but,,,not surprising OH and of course the US don't see themselves as commuting crimes when they do exactly the same on a worldwide scale and for some considerable time. Echelon is a good example .and let us not forget the role of Menwith Hill in the UK.

look up references to "the great firewall of China" I wouldn't mind betting that some interesting parralels would emerge.

On 03/07/2014 11:51, Jeremy Compton wrote:

        Chinese Military Creates High-Level Cyber Intelligence Center

    Strategic cyber intelligence group within Communist Party’s
    all-powerful military organ revealed

    BY: Bill Gertz <http://freebeacon.com/author/bill-gertz/> Follow
    @BillGertz <https://twitter.com/BillGertz>
    July 3, 2014 5:00 am


    This will be rather unsurprising to most of us :) As china rises
    to a global power then it will do all this to gain and maintain
    its power.

    Few people however realise that China has more internal threats of
    its own making than those of shore.

    From what l remember, though l forget the article, it was one that
    l printed off and meaning to read, but did not.

    Interestingly, there is a journal article entitled

      Cyber Actions by State Actors: Motivation and Utility

            Aaron F. Brantly
            pages 465-484

            From the International Journal of Intelligence and
            Counterintelligence, Vol 27 Iss. 3, 2014

        Neutralizing China's Student-Spy Network
        John Poreba
        International Journal of Intelligence and CounterIntelligence
        Vol. 25, Iss. 2, 2012 260-291


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