British Ambassador asked to come to the Foreign Office 05.11.2013 A spokesperson for the German Federal Foreign Office issued the following statement today (5 November): At the instigation of Foreign Minister Westerwelle, the British Ambassador was asked to come for a meeting at the Federal Foreign Office. The Director-General for European Affairs asked for an explanation of current reports in British media and indicated that tapping communications from a diplomatic mission would constitute a violation of international law. Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 21:48:55 -0800 From: shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [cryptome] Re: The NSA the only part of government that listens They're stirring up FUD as usual, and presenting a false dichotomy of "choice": either the NSA retains our info, or the telcos (et al) keep it (and disseminate it to divorce lawyers and LE- don't forget haX0rs could get at it too!!1!) How about a 3rd choice: these companies just get rid of it at the end of the next billing cycle? Let the NSA or LE get a valid warrant for the exact record of their person of interest- y'know, as the 4th amendment dictates- during that time. It's a subject that been discussed at great length here (and/or on cpunks or libtech, the lines blur.) There is no reason anyone needs to keep these bulk records for years (several decades, in AT&T's case) when it has been shown time and again to be ineffective in "catching ter'rists." But that's not the real reason they want this Stasi-like compendium of our lives, so don't expect it to stop (despite whatever weak legislation is passed to assuage we, the rabble.) TIA caused a stir & was just moved under the radar & put on steroids. This will be no different, especially with "oversight" from incompetent apologists like Feinstein. On Nov 4, 2013 9:22 PM, John Hudson <hudson28@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Anybody catch the interesting logic of today's NSA hearing on civil liberties and privacy? http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/11/04/top_obama_lawyers_reforming_the_nsa_could_hurt_americans_privacy_rights On Nov 4, 2013, at 11:20 PM, "" <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Is the funny/ironic bit you sending an html email with an inline image, from "email powered by Google" (given the nature of the article and the target audience of this list?) On Nov 4, 2013 7:35 PM, Jeremy Compton <j.compton@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I was sent this and l thought it was hilarious. I think we all need a bit a of a laugh from time to time. Its good for the soul. John HudsonStaff Writer, National SecurityForeign PolicyCell: 616-915-3124Office: 202-728-7334 Twitter: @John_Hudson