[cryptome] Re: Boom! Boom!:Was:RE: Re: Israel Election: 30,000 in Mass Rally against Netanyahu

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On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Douglas Rankine <
douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Shaun,
>
> Oh...You are bringing back memories now...:-).  Remember all those
> demonstrations for peace in the 1960’s...during Harold Wilson’s time?  The
> Committee of 100, basically a bunch of anarchists, but didn’t they mobilise
> well.  I was going on countless demonstrations at that time, really had the
> bug, and was organising against the war in Vietnam mainly.  Peace
> committees started to emerge in hundreds of towns and cities, composed of
> all sorts of ordinary people, from all classes.  Folks were getting really
> scared about the Cold War, and when the US brought in the  Cruise nuclear
> missiles and based them at Greenham Common, the shit hit the fan.
>
> See url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenham_Common_Women%27s_Peace_Camp
>
>
>
> The idea was the missiles would go out on the road and be transported all
> over South London and Sussex and Surrey, in secret..and could be fired at
> the USSR without the permission of the UK government, the middle classes
> went ballistic. It sounded like a good, well thought out idea, the only
> problem was that the missiles and their transporters were so big, that they
> could only use certain routes. Some clever sod, got a copy of the routes
> and published them, that really screwed the project up.
>
>
>
>  A group of women set up a camp outside of Greenham and were subjected to
> the most abusive campaign  by the authorities, they were called slags,
> prostitutes, lesbians and all sorts.  Evictions from their camp took place
> at the height of winter, children dumped in the snow, by bailiffs as if
> they were scum.   The locals were very much opposed to the women too, for a
> while, until they grasped the nettle that they were prime nuclear targets
> in the event of war, and that there weren’t that many jobs coming out it.
> And the noise of the aeroplanes, on what was once a quiet bit of England’s
> green and pleasant land...The Perception of a future reality, raised its
> head double quick, and it wasn’t long before the middle classes were making
>  their representations in the corridors of power, in the most discrete way
> of course.  Conversations in private London clubs with upper and middle
> class accents were heard to say to Ministers, “I say, old chap, this just
> won’t do, get it sorted”
>
>
>
>   Duplicity over Vietnam too, the UK didn’t get involved...apart from
> sending military advisers covertly...until they got found out.   Then there
> was CND, and when they really got going big time, huge demonstrations in
> London and elsewhere, particularly at the Easter Weekend took place.
>  People went on the big march for a holiday, as it took 4 days to walk from
> Aldermaston, the “secret” nuclear research establishment.  The march weaved
> its way through the English countryside, stopping at all the secret
> military establishments on the way, so that demonstrators could take
> pictures with their missus and kids in front of signs saying “Top Secret
> Establishment, No Photographs...Liable to be charged under Official Secrets
>  Act”.  It was all very cultural too, camping by the wayside, with folk
> singers playing guitars and singing protest songs, poetry sessions with
> beat poets and dancing on the way...and the spliff, what quality, cheap
> too, not like the stuff we have nowadays, wot rots ones brain and makes one
> paranoid.
>
>
>
> The Labour Government was furious because so many of their supporters were
> joining in, the Tories were getting worried, as they too were suffering
> from members bending their ears about it.
>
>
>
> Harold Wislon was too busy dealing with the “gnomes of Zurich” who were
> devaluing our Great British Pound, so that they could speculate on it.
> The Conservatives accused us all of being in the pay of Moscow.  I remember
> all that Moscow gold I got, found out it was counterfeit and spent it all
> in the one shop...:-).   In those days too, the political parties, said one
> thing and did the opposite.  The funny thing was, I remember thinking that
> the Conservatives were more “honest” than Labour, because they were less
> hypocritical.  There were some great demonstrations too, outside of the US
> Embassy, in Grosvenor Square.  I remember attending one organised by the
> Women in Black and the  Benjamin Spock mothers for peace.
>
>
>
> See url:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock
>
>
>
> Some misguided demonstrators were rolling marbles under the hooves of
> horses which were trying to move us on from our sit in... US soldiers could
> be seen inside the enemy, with helmets and guns, purely for ceremonial wear
> of course, they wouldn’t use them on their friends...would they...if we had
> broken in?  Perish the thought...:-).
>
>
>
> Yep...them were the days...noises on the phone, was surely special branch
> connecting up, and agents provocateurs, plenty of them were all around us,
> keeping us company.  They have all been digitalised since then, world is
> full of zombies and clones...:-).   No mobile phones in them days, no
> tablets, computers, just radio and state controlled television and one or
> two private stations, controlled and regulated by the Broadcasting
> authority.  Not like today at all, instant happenings today, on the mobile
> phone, pictures and sound instantly...
>
> ATB
>
> Dougie.
>
>
>
> *From:* cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Shaun O'Connor
> *Sent:* 09 March 2015 14:08
> *To:* cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [cryptome] Re: Boom! Boom!:Was:RE: Re: Israel Election: 30,000
> in Mass Rally against Netanyahu
>
>
>
> All this reminds me of a tv series  that centred around the nuclear
> industry, "edge of darkness" it was called , although it was fiction there
> was sufficient concern that apparently several big wigs tied to the nuclear
> industry got a bit worried lest it undermine the reputation of the
> industry.certainly a few politicians and government bods felt a bit hot
> under the collar.
>
> Then there is the movie "the china syndrome" it was fiction and somewhat
> Hollywood style but again, it was the kind of movie that makes you stop and
> think.
>
> OH and Sellafield is the name the now replaces Windscale..
>
> In a classic act ot treachery to its own citizenry. the British government
> when windscale was bieng constructed. where determined to be "up there with
> the Americans" and when the power station nearly blew its top. , there
> followed an"investigation".
>
> What the public did not know was that scientists had warned very strongly
> that certain construction methodologies the government where pushing for
> would be dangerous. , it is thanks to the scientific community and many
> workers who made significant sacrifices the that situation was not anywhere
> near as dire as it could well have been.
>
> The "investigation" put the blame on the very people who struggled to
> contain the blow-out...oh and of course Britain didn't want the good ole US
> of A knowing it fucked up. that would never have done.
>
> and now we are left with stark reminders of our folly, Chernobyl and
> fukashima come to mind.
>
> I often find myself wondering how it is that nuclear energy can be hailed
> as a safe form of power and yet require such extreme measures in place to
> keep it safe.
>
> Then there was a "public information movie!" that did its rounds claiming
> that if a nuclear explosion where to occur the fallout footprint would be
> far smaller than the public where inclined to believe.,
>
> Frankly I found that little exercise in "public information awareness" was
> quite unconvincing.
>
> ATB
>
> Shaun
>
> ps will  take a gander ant them URL's later.
>
> On 09/03/2015 11:59, Douglas Rankine wrote:
>
> Hi Shaun,
>
>
>
> Now that is funny...:-).
>
>
>
> One of the other things that I find very strange, as well as funny...is
> that there are an awful lot of countries, particularly the poorer ones, who
> also want nuclear weapons, and yet, the countries who have already got
> them, find that they can’t get rid of them!  All those nuclear weapons, the
> nuclear sites and all those high and low radioactive substances are very
> damaging to human beings, to our environment...and very expensive to
> maintain...and contain.
>
>
>
>   In fact the amount of money that is spent on the production of nuclear
> weapons, the mining and  the refining of uranium and turning it into
> plutonium is incredible.  However, it doesn’t   even compare with the cost
> in human resources, of those miners who dig the oxide out of the ground, or
> the other workers in the industry, and the families who live near nuclear
> power stations, who suffer cancers and shortened lives, or those who suffer
> from nuclear accidents, massive amounts of radiation released by tsunamis
> or human folly in the terms of removing safety procedures to get increased
> power.
>
>
>
> There are now somewhere in the region of 435 nuclear power stations
> operating or under construction  in over 31 countries.
>
> See url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._P._Snow
>
>
>
> When nuclear power was first used to produce electricity...at what was
> called Windscale and is now called Sellafield, it was opened by the Queen
> and dressed up as an electrical power producing plant, which made cheap
> electricity from nuclear fuel and it was said to be very safe and good for
> the environment, because it didn’t use fossil fuels and pollute the
> environment.
>
>
>
>   I remember at the time Windscale was being built, I was sitting in the
> dentists waiting room, as an emergency patient with toothache, when my mind
> was taken away from the pain by reading an article in the National
> Geographical Magazine, which always seemed to be freely available at the
> dentists at the time.   The article was on the merits and use of nuclear
> power and nuclear fission in  particular, and showed some pictures and
> diagrams of the construction of the plant and the science behind nuclear
> fission.  I was only around 11 years old at the time, but I was so absorbed
> by the article that I completely forgot about my toothache, thinking what a
> wonderful invention it was.
>
>
>
> For a more modern resume of nuclear fission, see url:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission
>
>
>
> What was kept secret at the time, was the massive subsidies from the
> government to  the industry, to those corporations building the plant, the
> massive amount of concrete needed to encase it  for safety reasons, and
> the huge amounts of money spent on securing the plant.  All the secret
> stuff came out later, a book was written called “The Corridors of Power” by
> C.P. Snow...
>
> See url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._P._Snow
>
> still well worth a read to get into the secret, Machiavellian machinations
> of our ruling establishment who were determined to get it built.  How can
> one oppose something if one doesn’t know it is occurring?
>
>
>
>   Most people didn’t have a clue in those days just how dangerous this
> stuff was, even though Hiroshima and Nagasaki was still fresh in the minds
> of those who survived the second world war.  Like me they didn’t tend to
> associate peaceful uses of nuclear power with its being a “weapon of mass
> destruction”. In fact the phrase is a new invention, coming out of 9/11 and
> the Iraq War.   Many people thought that nuclear fission was the best thing
> since the invention of sliced bread, most others didn’t care or weren’t
> bothered, just like today, too busy surviving and getting on with life,
> living in the present.  Again, the government was clever, (the management
> of persons and their perceptions of reality is hardly a new concept)
> nuclear power was sold on the basis of being a peaceful use of the awesome
> power of nuclear fission, a nice, clean, controlled environment, with
> plenty of safety procedures and controls to prevent it from going “pear”
> shaped...:-)... and cheap power readily available for the consumption of
> the masses in the coming, not social, but consumer revolution.    All those
> electrical consumer goods, white goods, household aids, would never have
> sold in such quantities if it hadn’t been for cheaper electricity and hire
> purchase.
>
>
>
> I have changed my mind a number of times on support or non-support of
> nuclear power being used for producing electricity.  As time goes by, and
> hindsight comes to the front, as nuclear accidents increased in both
> severity and numbers, as nuclear weapons multiplied both in size, in form
> and types of delivery, as methods of containment of nuclear rubbish were
> found to be leaking; it became more worrying for me.  Sellafield or
> Windscale containment areas leach radioactive materials quite profusely,
> millions of pounds being spent on putting a finger in the dyke.  In the
> Northern tip of Scotland, Dounray, leaks radioactivity into the beaches and
> sea, preventing the fishermen from carrying on their trade, all due to
> burying used nuclear products...BELOW sea level in underground storage
> centres.
>
>
>
> These days, with further knowledge developing about using fossil fuels
> more cleanly and new types of more environmentally sustainable power
> production, from heat pumps to wind turbines, hydro electric and tidal
> power stations, cleaner burning of coal; there are alternatives which cost
> far less than nuclear power ever did.  It is interesting to note that more
> money was spent on researching nuclear power in one year, than  has ever
> been spent on researching alternative and more  sustainable forms of energy
> production and conservation for the last 70  years.
>
>
>
> So, we are left today, with countries still hanging on to nuclear power,
> to weapons of mass destruction, those that have them trying to prevent them
> from proliferation, only to find that their intelligence services, or spies
> or those who wish to make a fast buck in the nuclear industry or large
> corporation, subvert the system or break the law, and give, sell or make
> the secrets available for all sorts of other expedient reasons.  And that
> poor countries or countries who feel disadvantaged or are being conned into
> believing that nuclear power and weapons are the answer to peace and cheap
> electricity production, are queuing up to becoming members of the nuclear
> club.  Iran has plenty of oil, more than enough to sustain its exports and
> internal usage for a hundred years.  Why does it want nuclear power...if
> not nuclear weapons?
>
>
>
> But human folly is nothing new and never original...it is just the scale
> of it that gets better and bigger...  Lists of nuclear accidents can be
> studied...
>
> See url:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_nuclear_disasters_and_radioactive_incidents
>
> For all the ones that are known about.
>
>
>
> At least, over millions of years, the continental plates will consume and
> subsume our present environment, and new sets of problems and new species
> will surface for someone or some other thing to solve.  I feel some science
> fiction coming on here...”The Kraken Wakes” by John Wyndam, perhaps ...:-).
>
> I hope you all enjoy this little piece and find it interesting and
> educational...if not...perhaps you would like to contribute your own...:-).
>
> ATB
>
> Dougie.
>
>
>
> *From:* cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Shaun O'Connor
> *Sent:* 08 March 2015 22:54
> *To:* cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [cryptome] Re: Israel Election: 30,000 in Mass Rally against
> Netanyahu
>
>
>
>
> BOOOM!!!!!
>
> On 08/03/2015 22:29, Douglas Rankine wrote:
>
> Yup!  All you need is a little bit of magic potion...and a keyword like
> Abracadabra...:-).
>
>
>
> *From:* cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Ryan Carboni
> *Sent:* 08 March 2015 12:01
> *To:* cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [cryptome] Re: Israel Election: 30,000 in Mass Rally against
> Netanyahu
>
>
>
> wow, all you need is a bunch of enriched uranium and high explosives to
> design a nuclear weapon?
>
>
>
> I think it is a little more complex than that
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Douglas Rankine <
> douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> See url:
> http://www.timesofisrael.com/tens-of-thousands-fill-rabin-square-for-anti-netanyahu-rally/
>
>
>
> Estimate of 30,000 protesters attending.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Ex Mossad Chief, accuses Netanyahu of making it up about Iran developing
> nuclear weapons in a year or less, says Netanyahu is talking bullshit...
>
> See url:
> http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-mossad-chief-says-pm-misled-congress-on-iran-breakout-time/
>
>
>
> Excerpt from Netanyahu’s speech to Congress, see url:
> http://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-netanyahus-speech-to-congress/
>
>
>
> Quote: Because Iran’s nuclear program would be left largely intact, Iran’s
> break-out time would be very short — about a year by U.S. assessment, even
> shorter by Israel’s.>>>end of quote.
>
> -----------------------------
>
> Strange how no one is talking about, or even mentioning, or hinting...at
> Israel’s nuclear weapons...Not Iran, not the USA, not the UK, not France,
> not Russia, not India, not Pakistan, not China, not North Korea...not even
> Netanyahu, or the government of Israel...Is it one of those big secrets? An
> invisible elephant on the world’s stage?
>
>
>
> ATB
>
> Dougie.
>
>
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