On 11/04/2015 11:30, Douglas Rankine wrote:
May I say, it isn't a competition between you and I, or anyone else for that
matter, rather, we are sharing information and your contribution was very
good stuff, in my opinion, I learnt quite a lot from it.
Just a couple of points, all currencies have to "cash out" i.e. get turned
into another currency or realise their value through exchange for goods or
services. See Capital Vol 1 by K. Marx or The Wealth of Nations by Adam
Smith, for a definition of capital value. If they don't cash out they are
worth nothing, or hypothetical billions. That is if I am understanding what
you mean by cashing out.
In fact, though a wonderful piece of mathematical invention, it is
quite useless, like all good art...to paraphrase Oscar Wilde... :-).
P.S. I notice that some peer to peer organisations are putting bit mining
into their sharing systems...without asking permission...Lots of folks
aren't very pleased about it...including me...I don't have enough bandwidth
as it is, without sharing it surreptitiously. Now, that is something to be
shit-scared of... :-).
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Sent: 08 April 2015 16:51
Subject: [cryptome] Re: 1st British Bitcoin Exchange due to open
On 08/04/2015 15:29, John Young wrote:
Odd that Bitcoin users believe its anonymity features, as though
exchanges occur in the untappable, invisible, untrackable byways of
What better way to track bitcoin users than anonymizing bitcoins.
I can't compete with Dougie's epistle about technical Bitcoin
anonymity/Authorities matters. Suffice to say that my post was primarily to
point out a couple of misunderstandings - misunderstandings which I now
suggest evidence a lack of familiarity with the issues and may therefore
affect his speculations.
However, my 'shit-scared' characterisation had nothing to with the alleged
anonymity (or lack thereof) of Bitcoin transactions.
The thing that really bothers the financial authorities is the absence of
centralised control over issuance and all that flows from it. Since Bitcoin
issuance is known and finite, it is analogous to gold as a currency but with
none of its storage and exchange problems. How to exercise a similar degree
of control over Bitcoin value and flows, that is their problem and they are
working on it.
Bitcoin take-up remains constrained by the need to cash-out. So long as that
is so, then its use will likely remain confined to the fringes. The
financial authorities absolutely need to be able to prevent any serious
break-out from this constraint and they don't appear to have a plan - yet.
Hence my 'shit-scared' remark.
OTOH, the Powers that drive the NSA (ie those who also pull the strings of
the ones who are 'shit-scared') have almost certainly got the whole thing
well in hand - even designed it this way :-)
Mr Nakamoto may indeed be a maverick but co-opting the technical brilliance
of mavericks (among its vast array esoteric capabilities) is after all an
Recalls the case of Crypto-AG being rigged by NSA to spy on its cryptoparts.
machines. Or Tor and Snowden implementing digital Crypto-AGs.
Still, biblical faith in unverifiable protection is as ancient as
authority warnings of enemies at the gate, in the soul, in the private
Not to mention invention of money and taxes conjoined to
mortality: death taxes a great way to assure filled tills.
But no authority can survive without porn, liquor and gambling.
And heavy-handed alarms about their danger if not carefully controlled
to assure dependency on defiance of authority.
Cheating humans is supremely human.
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