[cryptome] Re: 100,000 at Tel Aviv Nationalist Rally

  • From: "Douglas Rankine" <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:22:46 -0000

Dear Chien Fume,

Further to my previous posting, I have now had time to work through the urls 
you quoted below.  I must say, as I said before,  that I found them and your 
posting most informative and knowledgeable on the subject, particularly from 
those that referred to the proposed borders for Israel under international law, 
and  from the one referring to myths and facts.  In fact they, and your own 
contribution reminded me of some research I did into the question of Israel, 
Zionism, Palestine and the rights of the Jewish people to settle there, many, 
many years ago, long before the internet was invented, when my only resources 
were in books and libraries.   All credit to you for drawing these matters to 
my attention, thank you very much...

 

See url: www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com

For some interesting history of Arab leaders and their varied associations.

 

See url: 
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm

I recommend those of you who are interested in this area to study the content 
carefully.  I think you may find that you are in for a few surprises...and 
shocks... J.

 

From what I have read from your posting, and remembered from my own research,  
it appears obvious to me that the State of Israel is de facto, legally entitled 
to the land it claims under the “Mandate for Palestine” provisions.  The two 
state option is a myth, a recent and most unworkable invention of US foreign 
policy.  

 

Therefore, legally, in my view, it follows, according to international law,  
going back to the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate for Palestine in 1922. 
Certain ramifications can be concluded from that observation.   Israel, as a 
nation state is entitled to the land it claims from the Mediterranean to the 
River Jordan.

 

It also means that the Jewish settlements, on so-called occupied territory are 
legal and can be built anywhere in that land known as Palestine.  There is no 
illegal occupation of Arab lands by the State of Israel...in my opinion...not 
that my opinion matters... J.

 

Neither the Israeli Jews or the Arabs on both sides of the present divide, like 
the situation, or even find it tenable.

   However, the difficulty arises for the peoples who live in the area about 
what to do about the territories claimed and the Arabs who live next door...and 
the Arabs who live down the road...Whichever way one looks at it, the situation 
is horrendous...

 

Food for thought...

ATB

Dougie.

P.S. Jew flu...see url: 
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/2.209/the-jew-flu-the-strange-illness-of-jewish-anti-semitism-1.267172

is not a disease in my opinion, neither is it genetic...It is historical 
certainly, cultural definitely, and it is a social, mental and psychological 
manifestation of the contrariness of human beings. One of god’s, (if one 
believes in that sort of thing) or mother nature or evolutions appendages to 
human nature...I venture...goes with a vivid imagination... J.   It is 
definitely a bad habit and therefore learned behaviour...and can therefore, be 
unlearnt.

 

 

From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Chien Fume
Sent: 16 March 2015 07:18
To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [cryptome] 100,000 at Tel Aviv Nationalist Rally

 

'There is no need to divide the Land of Israel to lower the price of cheese,' 
said Naftali Bennett, who also played the guitar.

Bennett said that the Left would like to hand over the Mount of Olives, and 
Beit El and the Cave of Machpela in Hevron to the Arabs, because they do not 
want Israel to be Jewish.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/192652

NOTE: Most Israelis are not religious fanatics. Many of the most ardent 
Zionists respect the ancient religious traditions but also live very modern 
lives. 

Most (but not all) of the ultra-Orthodox refuse to participate in the Israeli 
Army (the IDF) but have very powerful political parties that ensure they 
receive large sums from the State coffers. Those ultra-Orthodox tend to 
facilitate the goals of the anti-Zionists (the various Arab parties and their 
allies in the Israeli Left).

LEFT & RIGHT NOT ABOUT ECONOMICS
In Israel, the 'Left-Right' distinction has almost nothing to do with 
economics. Most accept a system of socialism that is very much like George 
Orwell's 'Oligarchical Collectivism'. As in other 'industrialized' countries in 
the world today, a small number of people own and manage the industries. Taxes 
are extremely high because the public welfare system requires huge sums of 
money. 

The majority of people in Israel live at or below the poverty line. Jobs are 
scarce. Additionally, few know that the State of Israel provides large sums of 
money for the primary groups that work to destroy the State - The Palestinian 
Authority and Hamas. 

LEFT & RIGHT
The 'Left' in general are in favor of giving up huge areas of land designated 
as The Jewish Homeland in 1922. 

The 'Right' generally is against giving up any land, but contains a significant 
component that would evacuate large sections, as was done by the 'Right Wing' 
Sharon government in 2005. 

For those concerned with actual International Law there are ample online 
resources reproducing the legal agreements, treaties, and other actions that 
determined Israel's legal borders. The general public tends to hear only the 
unfounded, distorted claims made by groups whose ideology is only an extension 
of the group that started taking over large parts of Europe in the 1930s. 
www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com 

ISRAEL'S LEGAL BORDERS
One of the most easily accessed and concise accounts of the legal basis for the 
borders defining the State of Israel as determined in 1922 (and not modified 
since that time) is found at 
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm

There are many arguments and claims put forward by those who wish to see the 
Jewish (Zionist) State either severely reduced in size, or eliminated 
altogether. No similar claims are made against the physical boundaries of 
Jordan, Syria, Egypt, or most of the other Islamic States surrounding Israel. 

The current effort to eliminate the Assad government in Syria, and the rapid 
expansion of Islamic extremism via the efforts of the group known as ISIS or 
ISIL (an expansion of the original Al Qaeda group).

If history and respect for the many-faceted Jewish culture were respected, 
Israel would be allowed to exist, in genuine peace, within the very small 
borders set in the 1922 British Partition of the original League of Nations' 
Mandate for Palestine. However, the religious and ideological opposition to 
this has proven difficult to address. 

In actual fact, the world in general is continuing the same ideological war 
against Jews (and Zionism) as was perfected by the man with the funny mustache 
and his comrades. This ideology is aided by a certain segment of the Jewish 
population... the descendants of those who cooperated with the NSDAP, entered 
into 'The Transfer Agreement', and assisted the British in what's known as 'The 
Season' (hunting down and killing those who demanded that the League of Nations 
Mandate be implemented immediately). That crowd of Jews also sank the Altalena, 
helping ensure the invading Arab armies in 1948 would prevail. To this day, 
this group works to implement the 1947 Partition Plan that shrank the original 
1922 land area and created an indefensible and fragmented 'Israel'.

Ironically, many of the technological innovations that drive modern 
telecommunications and make the Internet so useful were either discovered or 
developed in Israel. 

None of this is written with the expectation that it will change the views of 
anyone, especially the 'Sartre's Waiters' who dominate this group. Those who 
hate the State of Israel, and who rail against Zionism (a fashionable and 
trendy way to be anti-Semitic without being so obvious about it) will continue 
in their beliefs no matter how much evidence is provided showing that those 
beliefs are without substance. 

When it comes to hatred of Israel and Zionism, we're dealing with something 
that seems to be deeply rooted in the world spirit... a hatred of an entire 
group of people, with some of the worst haters coming from that very group. For 
more on this see 'The Jew Flu: The strange illness of Jewish anti-Semitism' - 
oddly enough, this was published in one of the most virulent Leftist Israeli 
news organizations - 
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/2.209/the-jew-flu-the-strange-illness-of-jewish-anti-semitism-1.267172

Magna est veritas, et praevalebit

Chien qui Fume

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