[cryptome] Re: 100,000 at Tel Aviv Nationalist Rally
- From: "Douglas Rankine" <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:07:20 -0000
Dear Chien Fume,
A most interesting and learned posting, far wiser than any of mine...and I
enjoyed it very much. I must say it is very rare to see such voluble lucidity,
knowledge and education on this mailing list... and so long too...J. In fact I
would agree with most of your potted history of Israel, the Jewish tribe and
their relations with other tribes and nations, although the origins of Judaism
go back much further...some say 4000 years to the Canaan, but where did the
people from Canaan come from... Perhaps it can be traced to migrations from
India? Or from Africa... as well as the recent migrations from old Europe, and
the Jewish Diaspora exists in almost every country in the world.
Who really knows their origins, or any family, race or tribes origins over the
millions of years that man has wandered the planet. We didn’t start writing
things down, until 10,000 years ago, and even then they were mere symbols. The
historical artefacts of human existence go back for only around a hundred
thousand years, showing the various migrations in North America and China and
Africa and Australasia.
Human beings are naturally curious, and gregarious, just like other species,
and as their numbers expand they move into and take over new territories. As
the Aborigine wisely said. “The land owns us, we do not own the land”. And
how does one determine my Scottishness, my ethnicity, my religion, my
culture...is it through my genes, or is it from my culture, my environment,
where I was brought up, how I was educated, how well I know my historical
epoch: were my cultural values imprinted upon my mind by my peers and family
history...
Modern Zionism, is of course, a difficult concept to define, with many
groupings and trends, and many different perceptions of what it means. Modern
Zionism, in my view developed from the events which led to the false
imprisonment of Dreyfus a by the French authorities for being a traitor, and
which was so well recorded in “J’Accuse” by Emile Zola (which is well worth a
read, though Robert Harris’s book, “An Officer and a Spy” is much easier to
read and much easier to understand, in my view). See url:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Officer_and_a_Spy
I hope you are not suggesting that I consider, or have said in any of my
postings on the matter of Israel and the elections being held there, that all
the Israelis are religious fanatics? If so, point my nose to where and I will
apologise, as it was most certainly not intentional....
I agree with you on the definitions of “right” and “left” in political
philosophy and political parties. I gave up on them a long time ago, as they
are meaningless in practice when it comes to defining a political movement or
trend. So many times have I noticed one party of the right expressing views on
improving welfare, health, jobs, the economy and so on, whilst the party of the
left says exactly the same thing, but when it comes to the practice, all they
do is a surgical operation.
The trouble for me with Sartre’s waiters...in my view...Is that I consider
everyone to be one...including myself. Those who define themselves otherwise
should go look in the mirror... J.
Israel as a nation, just like all nations, is expansionist, because the people
who govern them are expansionist. The Israeli government, since its formation
and up till now has been very expansionist. It has settled its own people on
lands which are in dispute. The Israeli government has realised this and done
little about it, in fact, expanding it. No doubt about the pressures and
strengths of various political and religious factions and trends exerting their
influence.
Zionism and Israel are not questions of hate for me, they are questions of
interest. I have yet to find a definition of Zionism, which I understand...it
is too contradictory, again with different philosophies, trends and groupings.
I have spent some time on the present Israeli elections, because I think the
result is important for world peace with priority in the Middle East and
relations with other countries who have a different philosophy and different
traditions. I have little time for terrorists, violent fanatics or extremists,
whatever political, religious or cultural ethos they dress them up in. People
can...and do think those things, I do, from time to time; but putting them from
thought into action, is a different matter. We can, after all, think what we
like!
I agree with you that there is a lot of anti Jewish feeling in the world, and
that it is a historical phenomenon, deeply rooted in some people’s minds. It
also raises its ugly head at times of crisis, particularly financial and
economic crisis, or before or leading up to a war. Here in the UK there is a
lot of feelings of hate towards immigrants, those of Muslim origin in
particular. In my time on the planet, I have seen prejudice and hatred
expressed in violent actions against almost every race, ethnic, religion, sex,
age and class, that one can think of. And, depending on the historical epoch,
it varies. I have even seen prejudice and hatred towards Scottish people by
English people, and Vikki vermin, and I have seen violent hatred against white
people by black people as well as Vikki Verki. And the violent will beat
anyone up for no reason or justification whatsoever! “There is nothing so
quair as human nature”.
However, it is not so much the feeling, and how it manifests itself, but
the fact that we human beings have those emotions, which are part of us, which
can make us think and act in such a way...that is the important thing, in my
view. I suppose it is a bit like some folks holding the view that torture is a
justifiable, moral, legal, or practical activity for establishing truth...in
some circumstances...perhaps...:-).
ATB
Dougie.
From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chien Fume
Sent: 16 March 2015 07:18
To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [cryptome] 100,000 at Tel Aviv Nationalist Rally
'There is no need to divide the Land of Israel to lower the price of cheese,'
said Naftali Bennett, who also played the guitar.
Bennett said that the Left would like to hand over the Mount of Olives, and
Beit El and the Cave of Machpela in Hevron to the Arabs, because they do not
want Israel to be Jewish.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/192652
NOTE: Most Israelis are not religious fanatics. Many of the most ardent
Zionists respect the ancient religious traditions but also live very modern
lives.
Most (but not all) of the ultra-Orthodox refuse to participate in the Israeli
Army (the IDF) but have very powerful political parties that ensure they
receive large sums from the State coffers. Those ultra-Orthodox tend to
facilitate the goals of the anti-Zionists (the various Arab parties and their
allies in the Israeli Left).
LEFT & RIGHT NOT ABOUT ECONOMICS
In Israel, the 'Left-Right' distinction has almost nothing to do with
economics. Most accept a system of socialism that is very much like George
Orwell's 'Oligarchical Collectivism'. As in other 'industrialized' countries in
the world today, a small number of people own and manage the industries. Taxes
are extremely high because the public welfare system requires huge sums of
money.
The majority of people in Israel live at or below the poverty line. Jobs are
scarce. Additionally, few know that the State of Israel provides large sums of
money for the primary groups that work to destroy the State - The Palestinian
Authority and Hamas.
LEFT & RIGHT
The 'Left' in general are in favor of giving up huge areas of land designated
as The Jewish Homeland in 1922.
The 'Right' generally is against giving up any land, but contains a significant
component that would evacuate large sections, as was done by the 'Right Wing'
Sharon government in 2005.
For those concerned with actual International Law there are ample online
resources reproducing the legal agreements, treaties, and other actions that
determined Israel's legal borders. The general public tends to hear only the
unfounded, distorted claims made by groups whose ideology is only an extension
of the group that started taking over large parts of Europe in the 1930s.
www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com
ISRAEL'S LEGAL BORDERS
One of the most easily accessed and concise accounts of the legal basis for the
borders defining the State of Israel as determined in 1922 (and not modified
since that time) is found at
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm
There are many arguments and claims put forward by those who wish to see the
Jewish (Zionist) State either severely reduced in size, or eliminated
altogether. No similar claims are made against the physical boundaries of
Jordan, Syria, Egypt, or most of the other Islamic States surrounding Israel.
The current effort to eliminate the Assad government in Syria, and the rapid
expansion of Islamic extremism via the efforts of the group known as ISIS or
ISIL (an expansion of the original Al Qaeda group).
If history and respect for the many-faceted Jewish culture were respected,
Israel would be allowed to exist, in genuine peace, within the very small
borders set in the 1922 British Partition of the original League of Nations'
Mandate for Palestine. However, the religious and ideological opposition to
this has proven difficult to address.
In actual fact, the world in general is continuing the same ideological war
against Jews (and Zionism) as was perfected by the man with the funny mustache
and his comrades. This ideology is aided by a certain segment of the Jewish
population... the descendants of those who cooperated with the NSDAP, entered
into 'The Transfer Agreement', and assisted the British in what's known as 'The
Season' (hunting down and killing those who demanded that the League of Nations
Mandate be implemented immediately). That crowd of Jews also sank the Altalena,
helping ensure the invading Arab armies in 1948 would prevail. To this day,
this group works to implement the 1947 Partition Plan that shrank the original
1922 land area and created an indefensible and fragmented 'Israel'.
Ironically, many of the technological innovations that drive modern
telecommunications and make the Internet so useful were either discovered or
developed in Israel.
None of this is written with the expectation that it will change the views of
anyone, especially the 'Sartre's Waiters' who dominate this group. Those who
hate the State of Israel, and who rail against Zionism (a fashionable and
trendy way to be anti-Semitic without being so obvious about it) will continue
in their beliefs no matter how much evidence is provided showing that those
beliefs are without substance.
When it comes to hatred of Israel and Zionism, we're dealing with something
that seems to be deeply rooted in the world spirit... a hatred of an entire
group of people, with some of the worst haters coming from that very group. For
more on this see 'The Jew Flu: The strange illness of Jewish anti-Semitism' -
oddly enough, this was published in one of the most virulent Leftist Israeli
news organizations -
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/2.209/the-jew-flu-the-strange-illness-of-jewish-anti-semitism-1.267172
Magna est veritas, et praevalebit
Chien qui Fume
_____
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2015.0.5856 / Virus Database: 4306/9314 - Release Date: 03/16/15
Other related posts:
