[creation] Re: evolution

  • From: "Marshall" <fefinc@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: <creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:02:42 -0500

A true evolutionist is an atheist who denies that there is a spiritual side
to man
----- Original Message -----
From: "Percival Tanierla" <percy_tan@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:07 PM
Subject: [creation] Re: evolution


>
>
>  I think there is one subject which is seldom
> mentioned or discussed  by evolutionist authors. It is
> this: the origin of man,s spirit.  This immaterial o
> ( or spiritual ) part of  every human being cannot be
> explained by the process of evolution.  The
> relationship between man,s material  and spiritual
> parts are difficult to explain by evolution.
>
>
> The best proof for creation is the BIBLE. wITHOUT THE
> bIBLE WHERE CAN WE FIND  AN INFALLIBLE PROOF OF
> CREATION OR THE ORIGINS OF THINGS ?
>
> THEREFORE, IN EVERY DISCUSSION ABOUT CREATION VS
> EVOLUTION  THE BIBLE MUST BE THE BOOK INVOLVE.
>
> PERCIVAL
> --- "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > This is very interesting indeed. One minute we are
> > all sailing along quite merrily, the next minute all
> > hell breaks loose, if you'll excuse the pun.
> >
> > Philip (Snow)'s posting, entitled "HELL!!," covered
> > a number of fundamental, doctrinal issues. Should we
> > here discuss our disagreements, just as Peter and
> > Paul had to reason out theirs? Well, we could do, as
> > long as we realize that we are not going to reach a
> > concensus.
> >
> > You see, on this forum, we have unitarians and
> > trinitarians, Catholics and non-Catholics, Jews and
> > Gentiles. There is only one thing that unites us all
> > - we all accept that the cosmos was created by God.
> >
> > In addition to this, I am under an obligation to
> > maintain, as our main priority, a technical slant to
> > this forum. This is because freelists.org provide
> > the service I use, specifically with this proviso.
> >
> > I therefore have to decree the following:
> >
> > 1. Our discussions are to be primarily concerning
> > the scientific, technical and logical aspects of the
> > Creation/evolution debate.
> >
> > 2. I will allow the discussion of doctrine on the
> > forum, as long as it is tolerant and as long as all
> > contributors are fully and constantly aware that
> > they are not here to convert anyone. (Please do not,
> > for example, attack anyone just because they are
> > Catholic. If you disagree with a Catholic doctrine -
> > as, indeed, I do - then feel free to politely say so
> > and give your reasons. Once the point has been made,
> > and defended, then we need to move on again with
> > those matters that unite us.)
> >
> > 3. It is up to the individual as to whether they
> > choose to inform the group of their position on
> > Scriptural teachings.
> >
> > 4. I will, under no circumstances, allow remarks or
> > postings that are anti-Jewish.
> >
> >
> >
> > Within the context of the above, I am prepared to
> > instigate a discussion of the word, "hell," based
> > upon my understanding of Scripture:
> >
> > The word "hell," used in the King James version of
> > the Bible to represent three original Hebrew and
> > Greek words, conjures up images of a big, horned,
> > tailed, red bloke with something like a pitch fork,
> > tormenting people. This is a popular depiction and
> > should, of course, be kept separate from any meaning
> > that the word itself, which dates from before 1150
> > AD (or CE), has.
> >
> > The Hebrew word translated as 'hell' is sheol,
> > which, as far as I understand it (we do have a
> > native Hebrew speaker on this forum who could
> > correct me), means the common grave of mankind, that
> > is always reaching out for more.
> >
> > The two Greek words are hades, which means a grave,
> > and gehenna, which means a dump where rubbish is
> > burnt.
> >
> > Hell, then, is simply the grave. It can be a
> > memorial grave, in which case the occupier will be
> > resurrected back into a physical body at the last
> > day; or not, in which case the spirit tossed into it
> > is destroyed, never to return. There is no torture
> > chamber (much to Rumsfeld's disgust, no doubt). That
> > it is eternal, simply means that the fire is never
> > quenched, not that spirits are forever punished.
> >
> > Jesus' spirit was in a memorial grave for three
> > days, and his first physical body was (temporarily,
> > until God removed it) placed in a physical grave. He
> > was never dominated and tormented for three days,
> > nor even for three nanoseconds, in a fiery "hell" by
> > some sort of "devil." Indeed, such an idea is
> > unthinkable to me.
> >
> > I hope that this mail is received by all in the
> > spirit in which it was written.
> >
> > Neville.
> >
> >
> >
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