[creation] Re: Precipitation Clarification

  • From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:20:57 -0800 (PST)

"The Ecliptic would have been identical to what it is now according to 
Dodwell and others." 

Dodwell as well as Dryson indicate that the original ecliptic was roughly 
identical to the present as beginning in about ~2295( Dryson) ~2345BC (Dodwell) 
and ending in about 1850 but they both indicate that the 1850/present ecliptic 
was the original ecliptic that the disturbance took off from and then recovered 
to. Dodwell did fairly extensive statistical analysis of the observations so I 
used his figure of ~2345BC, as it represents a greater degree of accuracy of 
the findings.


Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The Ecliptic would have been identical to what it is now according to Dodwell 
and others. I Haven?t spoken to Bowden or others about this but the research is 
inescapably valid. However the change in ecliptic was due to the Axis of the 
heavens not the axis of the earth. That doesn?t invalidate or otherwise affect 
the validity of the Change in Ecliptic. So If the Ecliptic were originally the 
same before the disturbance as the observations show, how would a "temporary" 
disturbance affect the climate? Would it irretrievably upset a delicate balance 
that would no longer be able to fully recuperate to its former self? As for the 
date we can know for a fact purely from scripture the flood took place in the 
year 2495-2494BC with a total margin of error of +16 years exactly. Dodwell?s/ 
Dryson curve shows that the change in ecliptic started about 2345BC but I am 
not sure of their margin of error. It is obvious that impacts took place after 
the flood because the scars are still visible 
would otherwise have been washed entirely away. This is why I found Walt Browns 
model so interesting. However the change in ecliptic took place as observed, 
but it was not the earth that moved. This can be easily understood in terms of 
a mogul over a baby?s crib. The Heavens are attached to the earth not the other 
way around, that is "pivotal" to a geo-static cosmos. 


Dr. Neville Jones" wrote:
Hi Philip,

What I find difficult with the heavy dew idea is that the climate was so vastly 
improved before the Flood that we did not need houses. Sleeping outside with 
heavy dew at night/morning would have been most uncomfortable, and would have 
led to serious illnesses.

As I have said to Malcolm Bowden, George Dodwell's idea of the "axis" of the 
World being knocked off true is clearly wrong, since the World "cannot be 
moved." Also, there is no doubt that plants and animals are geared around a 
four-season cycle, particularly so with flowers, trees and crops. They were 
designed that way. So I do not accept that the ecliptic was originally 

I tend to favour the pumping action for water returning to the heads of rivers.

Yours in Christ,


Philip Stott 
Dear Neville

Much evidence - primarily from George Dodwell - points to a major shift in
the inclination of the earth - probably at the time of the flood. I suspect
that the ecliptic was pretty well over the equator pre-flood. [The moon
would then have an equatorial orbit, as most satellites to their planets.]
The wind patterns would have been entirely different and I suspect seasons
would be almost absent. Not only high water vapour content but probably at
least double the mass of the atmosphere would change the "blanketing" effect
and lead to a more constant temperature regime.

Returning to the question of how the water returned to the source of the
rivers. I wonder if they did. When the fountains of the great deep were
broken up the water emerging presumably came from reservoirs underground
much as in the Walter Brown model. Could the original rivers have been fed
from a similar (shallower?) source? [Ps.24, 2 Peter 3:5]. I would imagine a
small source - somewhat like the river in Ezekiel 47 rapidly becoming bigger
away from the source. Perhaps fed along the way by nightly heavy dew
dripping copiously from the trees. I have heard the idea of
gravitational/centrifugal pumping being a possibility (particularly with a
zero or small axis inclination) but remain somewhat skeptical about that.
That particular theory has trilobites inhabiting the waterways used in
returning water to the river sources.


Philip Stott
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