Hi Neville, I don't see how Dodwell's work gives the same ecliptic before and after. I do see how his curve can converge onto Newcome's curve, but that is not the same thing. The earth is "hanging on nothing". As far as I can make out it is at the centre of the firmament, space, the aether - which has a fundamental 24 hour rotation period (day defined before the sun makes it observable to a limited range of senses). It could be reaction with the firmament which keeps the earth stable. The ecliptic seems to depend on some kind of rocking of the earth relative to the firmament. This is changing and has changed in the past. It appears to have changed from very little to twenty odd degrees in two thousand and some years. To know whether it is the entire firmament which is rocking or the earth rocking in the firmament (or a combination) we could only know if the Scriptures told us. I see the scriptures clearly deny a daily rotation and a circuit around anything. Most things "hanging" are subject to small oscillations on occasions, so I am not sure that we can rule out minor oscillations for the earth. As for the fact that plants are designed for seasons. How much of that could be due to adaptation? Plants, even more than animals, have astounding ability to adapt to changed conditions. The range of possible variation designed into plants and animals in the beginning was probably greater than remains today, mutations having almost certainly damaged many possibilities. This astounding versatility in the living world allowed the theory of evolution to confuse many intelligent observers. Blessings Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Neville Jones <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: [creation] Re: Precipitation > Hi Philip, > > What I find difficult with the heavy dew idea is that the climate was so vastly improved before the Flood that we did not need houses. Sleeping outside with heavy dew at night/morning would have been most uncomfortable, and would have led to serious illnesses. > > As I have said to Malcolm Bowden, George Dodwell's idea of the "axis" of the World being knocked off true is clearly wrong, since the World "cannot be moved." Also, there is no doubt that plants and animals are geared around a four-season cycle, particularly so with flowers, trees and crops. They were designed that way. So I do not accept that the ecliptic was originally equatorial. > > I tend to favour the pumping action for water returning to the heads of rivers. > > Yours in Christ, > > Neville.