Thanks, Philip. I feel that we are making some progress. This aether business is interesting, but I can only accept an aether which is frictionless. Thank you for taking the time to read the article and respond (it was in response to your [geocentrism] posting that I wrote it). Neville. Philip <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dear Neville. I have read your new posted article. I must admit that I had the wrong idea of your assumptions. I thought you meant that the Bible spoke specifically against space travel. Now I see it only as a problem of mechanics in a geocentric setting. Thus our difference of opinion, is not Biblical, but mechanical. Whilst we cannot manipulate the Bible, we can manipulate mechanics. I'm glad you got the matter of relativity cleared up. I always mean relative motions. .... I NEVER discuss the magic of the illusive GR. T H E O R Y. Neville, you said, "even if He did stop the World, what effect would that have? Well, we reasoned above that at least one of the Sun or Moon is orbiting the World. Take either one. Whatever rate it goes around at when the World is rotating would be seen to increase dramatically if the World were to stop." I was quite amazed at this excellent biblical proof using Joshua, that proves it was not the world that stopped. I should have thought of it, but astronomy , especially the movements are a mystery to me. My "OT " knowledge is sparse as well. Yet your article failed to convince me that the easterly launch was wrong. when you said ,"Therefore at the accepted distance to the Moon, any rocket would need to achieve a westwardly tangential velocity, at the accepted distance to the Moon, of 61,364 mph" Your statement is correct, but I do not see how you can prove that achieving this connection is impossible. You did show this to be so using Newtonian theories of motion, but we on this side of the discussion are outside of their computations, which we say are based upon false premise's. I believe they did get to the moon. I also believe that the forces that got them there are different to what they claim, even though the effects are the same... This is what is so frustrating about this/these debates. We do not manage to prove or disprove geocentrism...But the Bible remains safe and untouchable. Always. I would like those involved here to please think in radial velocity rather than miles per hour. Thus we can have an orbit of rotation that is constant within certain constraints, no matter how far out it is. This will help in understanding my case. These are my reasons for saying the moon connection could be made. 1. What ever is the source of the force, we cannot doubt that a westerly launch experiences an opposing force towards the east, equavilent to one that would be expected if the world was rotating towards the east. Conversely a launch towards the east experience an added impetus (or less resistance) equal that expected if the world were infact rotating eastward. 2. I have already offered that as the world is stationary, as it is, then this force directed against the rocket may be caused in some way by the rotating cosmos, (including the aether of its space) . The effect is twofold. (a.) close to the earth, opposition is offered to any movement to rotate faster than the cosmos. i.e. it opposes a westerly launch . This may in some way be an effect of the reaction of the earths mass to the rotating universe, as per Roberts hypothesis. and (b) increasingly greater opposing easterly motion the higher the rocket goes from the earth. Word diagram. Take a straight line out to infinity from Earth central. Place an arrow pointing up above this line. Thats east, and one under pointing down. thats west. This is a 24 hour rotating force vector downwards toward the west. This force pervades all space, and obviously it will have greater momentum/speed the further from the centre you go. This speculative theory, and it is mere speculation, maintains that all mass/matter in space is constrained to move within "restricted bounds" either side of a radial from earth centre. In effect the force that carries the cosmos of sun stars at such apparent velocities, also must act upon any other bodies in space. The force forward (the future?) to the west may be greater all the way, than the force backward, (the past?) That is, it will always be easier to navigate against the cosmos rotation, than it is to navigate ahead of it, and this force increases either way the further one is from the centre of rotation, the earth. The inertial navigation systems upon appollo would show what NASA expects to see. Not necessarily the reality. Now that was my geocentric theory. But let us suppose for a moment, that NASA,made a big mistake and told a bigger lie. More on this to come, after I look at the course they claimed to have taken... Philip. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!