[creation] Re: Guidelines/further questions/2

  • From: "Knarr" <knarrrj@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:46:33 -0500

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Thank you, Neville, for your reponse. I must admit I am surprised by =
your admission that you "know nothing of the Talmud".=20
You say that I may not "condemn them", the "Jewish nation" on this =
forum. I am not sure what you mean by the "Jewish nation", the political =
state of Israel, Jews as a group, or what.
   As far as God abandoning Jews I hold to St. Paul's saying that there =
would be a remnant saved out of Israel, Romans 9:27.
We seem to be pretty much in accord it seems.
   Attached is an article with many quotes from the Talmud. Perhaps this =
opening quote from it would present it's tone:
The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). =
Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. =
Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino =
edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the =
Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
 The article goes into the Ethiopian Jews, who seem to be the only Jews =
in the world to hold to a strictly Biblical basis for their religion, =
and how they are treated by their fellow Jews. A very informative =
    Best Wishes, Ronald Knarr
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  From: Dr. Neville Jones=20
  To: creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
  Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:15 AM
  Subject: [creation] Re: Guidelines/further questions

  Dear Ronald,
  I thought after I had sent this posting that you would pick up on this =
particular issue!
  Although I know nothing of the Talmud, I am aware that many Jews place =
Talmudic teachings above those of Scripture. I am also aware that there =
have been some pretty mega deceptions coming from various high-profile =
Jews. In my own field, for instance, we have Einstein, Sagan and =
Feynman, to name but three.
  However, God makes it abundantly clear that the Jews are His people =
and that the universe will be measured and the depths of the World =
searched out before He will abandon them. In other words, He will never =
desert them.
  Therefore, yes, you may instigate discussions of the Talmud if you =
wish, but you may not, on this forum, condemn the Jewish nation. And, of =
course, any discussion about their beliefs must be as polite and =
tolerant as any that touches on Catholic beliefs.
  (P.S. The delay in replying was due to the fact that I have changed my =
family's sabbath from Sunday to Saturday.)
  Yours in Christ,

  Knarr <knarrrj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
  Thank you for trying to clarify things. I do have one question. You =
say, "4. I will, under no circumstances, allow remarks or postings that =
are anti-Jewish." Are you to be so tolerant of Jews and not so of other =
religions? Why just Jews??
  You say, "I will allow the discussion of doctrine on the forum, as =
long as it is tolerant and as long as all contributors are fully and =
constantly aware that they are not here to convert anyone. (Please do =
not, for example, attack anyone just because they are Catholic. If you =
disagree with a Catholic doctrine - as, indeed, I do - then feel free to =
politely say so and give your reasons."=20
  Does this mean I am not free to make comments on Jews as Jews, but =
that if the situation warrants it, in my mind, I may quote what I =
consider wrong in Jews teaching from their Talmud as long as I am fully =
and constantly aware that I am not here to convert anyone and politely =
say so, such as:=20
  Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement.", =
  Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") =
will have no portion in the world to come., or
  Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is =
less than nine years old., or
  Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl =
it is nothing.", or
  Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi =
Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles =
should all be killed")?
  Now nothing could be more polite. I would be only quoting from their =
own high holy book. I am not ashamed for anyone to quote from any =
official Catholic Document.
  If the discussion is not to be strictly held to Geocentrizm I think I =
should be as free to comment on Jew's religious teaching as others are =
to comment on the teachings of the Catholic Church, don't you?
  I'm not angry or irate, just asking. Ronald Knarr

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