Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Neville, for your reponse. I must admit I am surprised by = your admission that you "know nothing of the Talmud".=20 You say that I may not "condemn them", the "Jewish nation" on this = forum. I am not sure what you mean by the "Jewish nation", the political = state of Israel, Jews as a group, or what. As far as God abandoning Jews I hold to St. Paul's saying that there = would be a remnant saved out of Israel, Romans 9:27. We seem to be pretty much in accord it seems. Attached is an article with many quotes from the Talmud. Perhaps this = opening quote from it would present it's tone: The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). = Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. = Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino = edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the = Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)." The article goes into the Ethiopian Jews, who seem to be the only Jews = in the world to hold to a strictly Biblical basis for their religion, = and how they are treated by their fellow Jews. A very informative = article Best Wishes, Ronald Knarr ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr. Neville Jones=20 To: creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:15 AM Subject: [creation] Re: Guidelines/further questions Dear Ronald, =20 I thought after I had sent this posting that you would pick up on this = particular issue! =20 Although I know nothing of the Talmud, I am aware that many Jews place = Talmudic teachings above those of Scripture. I am also aware that there = have been some pretty mega deceptions coming from various high-profile = Jews. In my own field, for instance, we have Einstein, Sagan and = Feynman, to name but three. =20 However, God makes it abundantly clear that the Jews are His people = and that the universe will be measured and the depths of the World = searched out before He will abandon them. In other words, He will never = desert them. =20 Therefore, yes, you may instigate discussions of the Talmud if you = wish, but you may not, on this forum, condemn the Jewish nation. And, of = course, any discussion about their beliefs must be as polite and = tolerant as any that touches on Catholic beliefs. =20 (P.S. The delay in replying was due to the fact that I have changed my = family's sabbath from Sunday to Saturday.) =20 Yours in Christ, =20 Neville. Knarr <knarrrj@xxxxxxx> wrote: Neville, Thank you for trying to clarify things. I do have one question. You = say, "4. I will, under no circumstances, allow remarks or postings that = are anti-Jewish." Are you to be so tolerant of Jews and not so of other = religions? Why just Jews?? You say, "I will allow the discussion of doctrine on the forum, as = long as it is tolerant and as long as all contributors are fully and = constantly aware that they are not here to convert anyone. (Please do = not, for example, attack anyone just because they are Catholic. If you = disagree with a Catholic doctrine - as, indeed, I do - then feel free to = politely say so and give your reasons."=20 Does this mean I am not free to make comments on Jews as Jews, but = that if the situation warrants it, in my mind, I may quote what I = consider wrong in Jews teaching from their Talmud as long as I am fully = and constantly aware that I am not here to convert anyone and politely = say so, such as:=20 Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement.", = or Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") = will have no portion in the world to come., or Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is = less than nine years old., or Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl = it is nothing.", or Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi = Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles = should all be killed")? Now nothing could be more polite. I would be only quoting from their = own high holy book. I am not ashamed for anyone to quote from any = official Catholic Document. If the discussion is not to be strictly held to Geocentrizm I think I = should be as free to comment on Jew's religious teaching as others are = to comment on the teachings of the Catholic Church, don't you? I'm not angry or irate, just asking. Ronald Knarr --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! =20 -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- -- Type: application/msword -- File: Truth About the Talmud.doc