Dear All, Well, now that we have had a little say with regard to our individual beliefs(!), perhaps we could get on to what the forum was set up for - creation science. I know that not all of you are geocentrists here, but since no other topic has been put forward, I will start with Ronald's request for a geocentric discussion. On the other forum (geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx), we are currently debating NASA's claims to have landed men on the Moon, with particular relevance to the geocentric/heliocentric issue. When you stand on the World and look at the starry heavens, you may adopt either a geocentric or a heliocentric framework to mathematically describe what you see and predict future events. This is called Mach's Principle. However, when you are sending a rocket to the Moon, you do need to know which system is reality. Relative motions are not the main thing anymore. I throw this observation open to discussion to any of you who want to contribute. Neville. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!