[creation] Re: Comments?

  • From: "Creighton, Michael F11" <michael.f11.creighton@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:04:28 -0700

Ronald, The attachment did not come thru.  Please resend direct, not
thru list.=20
OR send to my home email at mac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and I will read this
weekend.
OR send thru list in email body itself.
Regards,  MAC +JMJ+
PS: List of scripture verses not too long so thought I'd include in
email. =20
PPS: I have a brief defense of Catholic position prepared on most
subjects if you have questions.

A Catholic Apologists Scriptural Cheat-sheet  - Our Lady of the Rosary,
333 58th St, Albuquerque, NM

Sola scriptura(Scripture alone?)
Jn 21:25 ... not everything is in the Bible.
2 Thess 2:15; 2 Tim 2:2; 1 Cor 11:2; 1 Thess 2:13 ... Paul speaks of
oral tradition.=20
Acts 2:42 ... early Christians followed apostolic tradition.=20
2 Pet 3:16 ... Bible hard to understand, get distorted.=20
2 Jn 1:12; 3 Jn 1:13-14 ... more oral tradition.
2 Pet 1:20-21 ... against personal interpretation. Acts 8:31 ...
guidance needed to interpret scriptures.

Sola fide (faith alone?)
Jas 2:14-26 ... what good is faith w/o works? Heb 10:26 ... must avoid
sin.  Jas 5:20 ... "earning" forgiveness.  Heb 11:6...w/o faith it is
impossible to please God. (must be true faith).
Lk 6:46; Mt 7:21; Mt 19:16-21 ... must do will of God. 1 Cor 9:27 ...
"buffet my body ..."
Phil 2:12; 2 Cor 5:10; Rom 2:6-10, 13, 3:31; Mt 25:32-46; Gal 6:6-10 ...
works have merit.=20
1 Jn 2:3-4; 1 Jn 3:24; 1 Jn 5:3 ... keep commandments.

Salvation (once and for all?)
1 Cor 9:27 ...after preaching ... I myself disqualified. 1 Cor 10:12 ...
thinks that he stands .. lest he fall.
Phil 2:12... work out salvation with fear and trembling. Heb 4:1 ...
fear of failing to reach salvation.
1 Jn 5:16,17 ... some sins are mortal, some not.; Rom 11:21,22 ... spare
branches, continue or be cut off.   Mt 7: 21-23...many who call me Lord
will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Deuterocanonicals
Deuterocanonicals were used in NT: 2 Mach 6:18-7:42 ... Heb 11:35;
Wisdom 3:5-6 ... 1 Pet 1:6-7; Wisdom 13:1-9 ... Rom 1:18-32 Septuagint
(Gk, w/ Deuterocanonicals) version of OT quoted in NT,   noticeably
different from Hebrew version: Is 7:14 ... Mt 1:23; Is 40:3 ...=20
Mt 3:3; Joel 2:30-31 ... Acts 2:19-29; Ps 95:7-9 ... Heb 3:7-9 etc.=20

Purgatory
Lk 12:59; 1 Cor 3:15; Mt 5:25-26 ... temporary agony. Heb 12:6-11 ...
God's painful discipline.
Mt 12:32 ... no forgiveness ... nor in the age to come. 1 Pet 3:19 ...
purgatory (limbo?).
Rev 21:27 ... nothing unclean shall enter heaven. Heb 12:23 ... souls in
heaven are perfect.
Col 1:24; 2 Sam 12:14 ... "extra" suffering. 2 Mac 12:43-46 ...
sacrifice for the dead.
2 Tim 1:15-18 ... prayer for Onesiphorus for "that Day." 1 Jn 5:14-17
... mortal/venial sins

Eucharist
Mt 26:26-27; Mk 14:22,24; Lk 22:19-20; 1 Cor 10:24-25 ... this is my
body ... this is my blood.=20
1 Cor 11:26-30 ... sinning against the body and blood.
Jn 6:32-58 ... long discourse on Eucharist.
Gen 14:18; Ps 110:4; Heb 7:1-17 ... Melchizedek; Acts 2:42 ... breaking
of bread.
Mal 1:11 - Clean oblation offered by Gentiles.

Baptism of infants
Acts 2:38-39; Acts 16:15, 16:33, 18:8; 1 Cor 1:16 ... suggests baptism
of all, incl. children.=20
Jn 3:5; Rom 6:4 ... necessity of baptism.
Col 2:11-12 ... circumcision (normally performed on infants c.f. Gen
17:12) replaced by baptism.=20

Forgiveness of sins
Jn 20:22-23 ... "if you forgive ... they are forgiven." Mt 18:18 ...
binding on earth and heaven.
2 Cor 5:18 ... ministry of reconciliation.
Jas 5:14-16 ... forgiveness of sins, anointing of the sick, confession.

Papacy/infallibility
Mt 10:1-4; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13; Lk 9:32 ... Peter always
mentioned first, as foremost apostle. Mt 18:21; Mk 8:29; Lk 12:41; Jn
6:69 ... Peter speaks for the apostles. Acts 2:14-40 ... Pentecost:
Peter who first preached.  Acts 3:6-7 ... Peter worked first healing.
Acts 10:46-48 ... Gentiles to be baptized revealed to Peter. Jn 1:42 ...
Simon is Cephas (Aramaic: Kepha for rock).; Mt 16:18-19 ... "on this
Rock ... keys ... bind ... loose" Is 22:22; Rev 1:18 ... keys as symbol
of authority.; Jn 21:17 ... "feed my sheep"  Lk 22:31-32 ... "Simon ...
strengthen your brethren".
Lk 10:1-2, 16; Jn 13:20; 2 Cor 5:20; Gal 4:14; Acts 5:1-5 ... "vicars"
(substitutes) of Christ.=20
Mk 6:20; Lk 1:70,2:23; Rom 12:1; Act 3:21, 1 Cor 7:14; Eph 3:5; Col 1:22
... humans can be holy ("call no one holy").=20

"Brothers" of Jesus: No Hebrew word for cousin.  All blood relatives
were called "brother" or "sister".
Mary wife of Cleophas and "sister" of the Virgin Mary (Jn 19:25) is the
mother of James and Joset (Mk 15:47; Mt  27:56) who are called the
"brothers of Jesus" (Mk 6:3). Acts 1:12-15 ... apostles, Mary, "some
women" and Jesus' "brothers" number about 120. That is a lot of
"brothers." Gen 14:14 ... Lot, Abraham's nephew (Gen 11:26-28),
described as Abraham's brother (KJV).=20
Gen 29:15 ... Laban, Jacob's uncle, calls Jacob his "brother" (KJV).;
John 19:26-27 ... Jesus gives care of Mary to John, not one of his
"brothers." 2 Sam 6:23, Gen 8:7, Dt 34:6 ... "until."

Mary
Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5; 2 Kings 2:1-13 ... Enoch and Elijah taken to heaven.
Lk 1:28 ... annunciation.
Lk 1:28, 42-48 ... blessed are you among women.; 2 Tim 4:8, Jas 1:12, 1
Pet 5:4, Rev 2:10 ... coronation awaits saints.; Rev 12:1,5,17 Mary ARK
of the new covenant, Mother of Our Lord, Mother of the faithful.

Saints
Mk 12:26-27 ... "not God of the dead, but of the living." Jn 15:1-8 ...
vine and its branches.
1 Cor 12:25-27; Rom 12:4-5 ... body of Christ.
Eph 6:18; Rom 15:30; Col 4:3; 1 Thess 1:11 ... intercessory prayer. Jos
5:14; Dan 8:17; Tob 12:16 ... veneration of angels united with God (Mt
18:10).=20
1 Cor 13:12; 1 John 3:2 ... saints also united with God. Lk 20-34-38 ...
those who died are like angels.
2 Mac 15:11-16 ... deceased Onias and Jeremiah interceded for Jews. Rev
8:3-4; Jer 15:1 ... saints' intercession.

Statues, images and relics
Ex 25:18-22, 26:1,31; Num 21:8-9 ... God commands images made.
1 Kings 6:23-29, 35, 7:29 ... Solomon's temple: statues and images. Acts
19:11,12 ... Paul's handkerchiefs and aprons.; 2 Kg 13:20-21 ...
Elisha's bones.
Acts 5:15-16 ... Peter's shadow.; Mt 9:20-22 ... Jesus' garment cures
woman.

Church and authority
Acts 2:42 ... doctrine, community, sacred rite (bread). Eph 5:25-26 ...
Christ loved the Church.
1 Tim 3:15 ... church is pillar/foundation of truth. Mt 16:18; 20:20 ...
Christ protects Church.
Heb 13:17 ... obey.; Mt 18:17-18 ... church as final authority.  Lk
10:16...he who hears you hears me.
Mt 23:2 ... Pharisees succeeded Moses (seat of Moses).  Cor 3:15... Only
one body of believers.  Eph 4:5... one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

No salvation outside Catholic Church:
Mt 10:16...they MUST enter into one fold;  Acts 2:47...added to church
those who would be saved.      2Cor 11:13-15...many disguise themselves
as ministers of Christ but are ministers of Satan.

Priesthood and worship
Acts 1:15-26; 2 Tim 2:2; Tit 1:5 ...unbroken succession. Acts 15:6,23; 1
Tim 4:14, 5:22; 1 Tim 5:17; Jas 5:13-15... presbyters/elders (priests)
were ordained, preached and taught the flock, administered sacraments.=20
Lk 16:24; Rom 4; 1 Cor 4:14-15; Acts 7:2; 1 Thess 2:11; 1 Jn 2:13-14 ...
"call no one father"? 1 Cor 7:7-9 ... Paul  unmarried. Mt 19:12; 1 Cor
7:32,33 ... celibacy.
Gen 14:18; Ps 110:4; Heb 7:1-17 ... Melchizedek. Rev 4:8 ... "vain
repetition"?
1 Kg 8:54; 2 Chr 6:13; Ezra 9:5; Mt 17:14; Lk 5:8 ... kneeling. Rev
8:3-4 ... incense.
1 Cor 12 ... different roles of members of body.

Justification
1 Jn 1:7, 2 Pet 1:9 ... purified from sins. Jn 1:29, Heb 9:26-28 ...
takes away sin.
Ps 50:3, Ps 102:12, Is 43:25 ... blot out, clear away sin. Rom 2:13, Rom
3:20 ... future justification.
Heb 11:8...Gen 12:1-4; Rom 4:2-3...Gen 15:6; Jas 2:21-23...Gen
22:1-18... justifications of Abraham.=20
2 Pet 1:4 ... become partakers of the divine nature.

Against Contraception:
Gn 9:7- be fruitful & multiply; Gn38:9-10 - GOD slew Onan for spilling
seed; Tob 6:22, 8:9 - take wife not out of lust but with fear of GOD and
purpose of having children; Ps126(127):3-5 - Every child a blessing.

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