Re: hi
- From: Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 07:42:19 +0700
I do agree that there are some moves that is harder to punish. But i think
other changes in TTT2 is a bigger issue like how sidestepping and
sidewalking improved drastically. Tagging system is still new + having some
characters that can tag in safely in raw tag. And other character's
movelist. Like if i play Zafina...i'm getting away with mid high non
jailing moves, punishable moves that looks like it's not (especially if
they have guard stun. Guard stun doesn't = safe...) So it's not too hard to
learn these stuff.
But i think the main issue would be character unfamiliarity. Having to play
tag. You're more likely to be exposed to more characters. Instead of
Bobfest BR. And the only way to learn this is to play the game A LOT or do
what i do which is go through frame data and movelist. Learn movelist by
heart for every character. Learn the main moves you need to punish
(especially the ones your opponent will always use). Also learn you're own
command list by heart. How safe or unsafe is each of your move. eg. df+1 on
block is -3 = you can sidestep but if you try to attack...you're most
likely to lose unless your opponent don't do a 400frame move. df+1 on hit
+5 = your next attack that isn't 400frames will win. But do you want to do
a low chip dmg or another mid poke mix up or go a bit more risky for a
bigger move. But bigger move will lose to faster moves your opponent throw
out. etc. The game gets deep.
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The thing is if it was that close to the cusp they where failing at it
> frequently either way even before the lag.
> So sure that is more applicable to us, who arent that good at this shit.
> (It would take 50% success rate to 30% or something)
>
> But it is not valid for the proper/pro players being interviewed and
> stuff. They werent "on the cusp".
>
> Not sure what it is. But the problem is not the 1f lag. They can remove
> it today and people would still bitch because its something else.
>
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> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 00:35:20 +0200
>
> Subject: Re: hi
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> The quoted part.
>
>
> On 15 March 2014 00:34, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> You obviously didn't take in what I said.
>
>
> "certain things are on the very cusp of someone's ability to do and if
> you change the values even by one percent they drastically change
> that persons success rate by a lot more than one percent"
>
>
> On 15 March 2014 00:31, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I do think its harder or "different" atleast.
>
> But its not lag. There are videos and people did proper documented tests
> with both T6 and TTT2(It was on TZ, think noodals or somebody well know did
> them aswell). There is only 1f more lag. It will make a minor difference
> but not to the extent that people are making it out to be.
>
> Only other explanation I can come up with is what Di is mentioning about
> the animation and motion blur or something stuff startup frames harder to
> see or whatnot.
>
>
> Im working a PCB.
> Hopefully the wait wont be too long
>
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> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 00:25:22 +0200
>
> Subject: Re: hi
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Everyone is just tripping then hey ?
>
> I'm just saying it is harder now.
> Then I'll say some more reasonable stuff about how certain things are on
> the very cusp of someone's ability to do and if you change the values even
> by one percent they drastically change
> that persons success rate by a lot more than one percent.
> Then I realize that you just like to argue about stuff and I give up and
> say get a PCB because I've made something nice for you raasklaat.
>
>
> On 15 March 2014 00:17, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> 1(a single) extra frame of lag is fact
>
> If that suddenly makes throws unbreakable then the person could not break
> them to begin with.
>
> 12f to see the throw then 14-15f to break?
> If 1f of extra lag suddenly screws up the 26 frames you have to break
> throws then I dont know.
>
> Lag is not the problem
>
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> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 00:02:43 +0200
>
> Subject: Re: hi
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> The extra Lag is a fact not a theory.
> Motion blur is not the problem.
>
> I'm just talking about the added lag not how to play the game.
>
>
> On 14 March 2014 23:51, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Need to hit the arcade for some SF4 practice. :)
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 4:49 AM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> That is true...but the Americans are bitching WAY too much...they refuse
> to learn the game properly. While guys like mainman are showing off their
> skills in combo vids...they main thing ppl need to learn in TTT2 is
> tagging...it is Tekken TAG tournament 2 after all. Shouldn't noob tag. Also
> mastering Tag Assault, when to use it, when not to use it. And lastly, not
> all combos should knock your opponent 500meters away...oki > 10dmg. Unless
> you're going to kill the character, oki is always a better choice. Keep
> them close, so if they noob tag. Free launch :) eg. like how you "stole" my
> Jaycee's Tag Crash bait with your lee ws 2,3...
>
> You should adopt my way of throw breaking...throw them first. lolz. i must
> redeem my "throw king" name that the locals gave me back then. Been too
> kind...i throw so much that my brother learnt how to throw break by just
> playing against me...never practiced with AI or anyone else hahaha.
> Unbreakable throws would be cool haha my Lili will be top tier...SS 1+3 2+4
> XD
>
> I don't really feel the so call lag. However, some moves ARE harder to see
> (compare to BR) because they slightly added motion blur to attacks...eg.
> Dragunov's db+3, Feng's ss 4, etc. Usually the sweeps. Back in BR, Steve's
> db+2 is so seeable that it's useless. Now it's still seeable if you pay
> attention to it only. Unlike in BR where you're doing something then "oh
> here comes db+2"
>
> Book is off to indonesia again :/ he's dueling with Yuu. This kid...crazy.
> He must return to bkk so i can rank and level up with him :P
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Scheidel
> <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> Also Di ALOT are but not all americans are total idiots.
>
>
> On 14 March 2014 23:07, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Sorry what I meant to say is that adding extra lag in to the game makes it
> much more fun and hopefully for the next game they add more lag so that the
> game has no possibility of true reaction.
> Maybe they should make all throws unbreakable so you just have to know and
> duck and also make all lows unseeable.
> Who want's to learn anyway,I'd rather just guess for everything.
>
> Anyway enough trolling ~ the game at it's core is still good but they
> seem to mostly be making bad decisions with it.
>
>
> On 14 March 2014 22:29, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Americans...
>
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> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Stephen Scheidel
> <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> I like how every tekken player that gets interviewed feels exactly like I
> do about TTT2.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmTlktGHPIc
> Stupid fucking frame delay bullshit.
>
>
> On 14 March 2014 16:48, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> It's called Viper's Infinite Unblockable. There's no way to escape it.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:42 PM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> Salie's viper is kuk man, he just spam whole day.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:21:45 +0200
>
> Subject: Re: hi
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Because Salie's Viper will just rape you and I'm not interested in hearing
> your excuses on why it went down like that.
>
>
> On 14 March 2014 15:54, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Ogrs why u no cme watch me poon fraud vipers?
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:19:25 +0200
> Subject: Re: hi
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> High score girl new USF4 character is just a palette swap of those two
> gremlins from SFxT ~ I called it.
>
>
> On 14 March 2014 15:17, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Nah I just got back from work and I'm still feeling a bit sick.
> I'm just gonna stay at home,sleep and watch FR this weekend.
>
>
> On 14 March 2014 14:41, Grei Botes <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Stephen, you coming to the session tomorrow? Need some new games bro.
> Salie, stick of truth ISO pls and some mafia films if you have any.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Lilan BowdenMore pulled it off though
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jdi0MWW-gw
>
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> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Grei Botes <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Just goes to show, you can't dress up as Chun Li and expect to be hot.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> OK, apparently it's a character from the comic "High School Girl"
>
> http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/img_upload/BcjeWMoCEAA_39h.jpg
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> http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8rwLTlsuwzlYscwxq7BKxdNIfjORG92hG-QZr49z6HqZoayO-kA
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> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Who is the chick in this pic with Gief?
>
> http://p.twpl.jp/show/large/fl960
>
> It's a USFIV Nesica Live card, so she has to have something to do with the
> game?
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