Re: USF4 changes!

  • From: richard moorcroft <greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:21:11 +0200

Law dragon tails goes under mids,, and some other shit too ,, and yes these
characters with 170 moves must go down too a 100 - 110,, and characters
that have useless stuff has to go,, I find that the Mishimas are fine with
their move lists,, it must not increase or decrease
On Jul 25, 2014 6:14 PM, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> The game as most of us are saying has way too many situations that
> require a specific way to deal with as a result it accumulates into a
> cluster fuck.
> Another example out of a million, My bnb combos which work fine
> against 90%+ of the cast except against Jack.
> I'm forced to change my timing during the tag filler or else my combo
> drops, to me that is a deal breaker a big issue that needs to be
> fixed.
> When it comes to mids being ducked under is another big issue that
> potentially fucks the system all together, mids are supposed to beat a
> ducking opponent this is supposed to include moves that have a ducking
> hitbox or high hitting moves.
> This rule is written on the manual of the game and in Tekken 6 as a
> one of the tips for new players but the game has characters that defy
> this rule and renders it useless because you as a player must know of
> all the wonky, character specific situations where a mid can be
> useless.
> I have always been aware of these moves since Tekken 3, Jin and
> Heihachi's wd+1 and Heihachi's ff+2 go under a lot of mids in that
> game.
> Bottom line, TTT2 has a lot of issues that were not fixed/resolved
> that still plagues the game.
> They need to trim the long ass move lists, too many useless moves on there.
>
> On 7/25/14, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Well i'm sure they are some unusual BS crushing moments. But those unsual
> > crushing moments is and always has been the same since T5 or BR...just
> > because you do a linear mid, doesn't mean that move should beat a low or
> > what not...just registering that your hopkick is a mid is wrong. You must
> > also consider the ACTUAL hitbox of the move...Zaf going under hopkicks
> > makes sense because she's literally crawling while hopkick is pretty up
> in
> > the air even tho it's a mid.
> >
> > The few moves that needs bug fixing is Bruce's and Law's fff+3 hitting
> > characters even tho they jumped across someone already...but these stuff
> > might be hard to fix...not sure how their rigging works (but considering
> > some characters still have animations from T3...capos...i'd say it's
> > hard)...hopefully they'll revamp the whole movelist in T7. Capos
> animation
> > is so bad lolz
> >
> > Tracking is pretty ok. Only some roundhouse move needs better tracking
> > (Drag's uf+4, Eddy's uf+4, etc being sidesteppable is weird...not easy to
> > ss but still, not fun when your opponent is a ss bastard)
> >
> > Every character have moves to deal with crushing moves...Paul's d+1 is
> one
> > of the best, Lee's df+4, etc. Some are very generic and
> > non-flashy/rewarding...but it's better than eating Lili's d+3+4...
> >
> > My only complaint is Lars df+2 recovering super fast on wiff / hitting
> > airborne opponent...that move is true BS...also have weird crushing
> > property...along with his df+1 going under second hit of Tsunami's lolz
> > Otherwise, i have no issue with any move or the game at all. :)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Nah bra, not bs is bs.
> >> Not all glitches are bs as some where beneficial to the overall meta
> >> game.
> >> Cross ups, links, cancels and not in SF4 p-linking or plinking are some
> >> of
> >> the positive glitches that were discovered and left by devs. Negative
> >> glitches like handcuffs infinities or abnormal damage output due to
> >> scaling
> >> which all of which can lead to death combos etc are what is bs.
> >>  On 25 Jul 2014 16:06, "Nicholas Robertson-Muir" <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Every fighting game has its bs.
> >>> If it wasn't for fighting game bs, we wouldn't have had combos for as
> >>> long as we do. Lol.
> >>> I just hope to see some serious "flash" from the new Tekken game.
> >>> On 25 Jul 2014 15:55, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
> >>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>  There is lots of BS in the Tekken games - Aking or Julia's sweeps
> >>>> going under hopkicks... Bob's uppercut going under demo man...Paul's
> >>>> shoulder going through moves...
> >>>> I love the tekken games, but there is random crap.
> >>>>  *From*: Di Lhong [mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>> *Sent*: Friday, July 25, 2014 03:43 PM South Africa Standard Time
> >>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>>>
> >>>>  The ones that people have issues to punish is the super strict -10
> >>>> frames moves with weird block recovery/stun...eg. Nina's uf+3...you
> used
> >>>> to
> >>>> be able to jab her once she lands on her feet...now you have to
> >>>> punisher
> >>>> her mid air but with the weird block recovery or frame lag...she's
> >>>> considered grounded already...Steve's b+2, Hworang's uf+3+4, etc. all
> >>>> the
> >>>> same...Jack's df+2 is not part of the brokeness of the game...it's
> been
> >>>> the
> >>>> same since BR...luckily he got nerfed badly in TTT2 and most people
> >>>> learn
> >>>> how to fight against him that he's not a threat like before...
> >>>>
> >>>>  Stuff that suddenly goes thru or weird crush system is the same as
> BR.
> >>>> Zaf's b+1+2 going thru or under low mids is common in BR. It's not a
> >>>> new
> >>>> broken thing that comes in TTT2...or Feng's qcf+1.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> That Blanka representation...
> >>>>> One game is not enough.
> >>>>>  On 25 Jul 2014 15:32, "Sean Carrington" <
> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Got this from BoyX2121 this morning.
> >>>>>> Anyone interested here?
> >>>>>> On 25 Jul 2014 15:01, "Wynand-Ben" <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  It will depend greatly on the range it used and the other
> >>>>>>> characters punishment options.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are plenty of legit reasons why it could go unpunished if
> used
> >>>>>>> at the correct range.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  ------------------------------
> >>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 12:57:28 +0000
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yup, -14. Even with that people aren't punishing. Sad.
> >>>>>>>  *From*: Wynand-Ben [mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>>> *Sent*: Friday, July 25, 2014 02:51 PM South Africa Standard Time
> >>>>>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> *Subject*: RE: USF4 changes!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Jacks df+2 is bloody -14
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Depending on the character(mostly range issues) its not hard to
> >>>>>>> punish.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cant blame the game if they are asleep.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They only reason I can see them being hesitant to punish is due to
> >>>>>>> range.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  ------------------------------
> >>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 12:34:13 +0000
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Strict? Just crappy. Did you watch the Evo finals? If JDCR can't
> >>>>>>> punish properly, how are the rest of us expected to?
> >>>>>>> Watch the top8 and take a shot everytime you see a Jack df+2 go
> >>>>>>> unpunished. You'll be under the table in no time at all.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  *From*: Di Lhong [mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>>> *Sent*: Friday, July 25, 2014 02:19 PM South Africa Standard Time
> >>>>>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Yeah the punishment is much more strict than it was...due to the
> >>>>>>> weird recovery frame.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Ryan Williams
> >>>>>>> <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Shit that is punishable one minute and not the next, wonky axis
> >>>>>>> issues, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What bug? the basics is still the same :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> >>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  TTT2 is buggy as all hell. DR and BR were good. Tag2 is not.
> >>>>>>>  *From*: Di Lhong [mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>>> *Sent*: Friday, July 25, 2014 01:46 PM South Africa Standard Time
> >>>>>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   TTT2 IS good :) but solo would be cool too. so we can go back to
> >>>>>>> our mains...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  now i just have to find my true main...hmmm maybe it's time for
> >>>>>>> Lee.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Poor Harada, being swarmed with the same questions by fans lolz.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Wynand-Ben
> >>>>>>> <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  FU
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> TTT2 is good lol
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  ------------------------------
> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:27:07 +0200
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>>>>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I hope it feels like an old Tekken game made for old people like me
> >>>>>>> :/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 25 July 2014 13:20, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/12175/20140723/tekken-7-release-date-unsure-pc-version-confirmed-jun-kazama.htm
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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