Re: USF4 changes!
- From: Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:24:57 +0200
I guarantee you, a few months from now, this matchup will still be in
Rolento's favour.
If Hugo could legit lock him down somehow, close the gap quickly and keep
him in hard knockdown limbo, it would be different. But to do that, he
would have to get him to the corner and that's just not going to happen.
Rolento is pretty free on wakeup and when cornered, the match is basically
won, so Hugo would have to gamble with an regular or EX meat squasher at
some point and hope it lands. Something like that is not enough to turn
this matchup into a favourable one.
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I tested d,d+mk it also seems to stuff the roll but only on it's way down.
> lol
> Same with neutral jumps they all need to be deep for them to punish/beat
> out the roll
> and that's not always possible and it gives Ronento too much control with
> the ground game.
> Man my opinion is changing about this match up...
> C.mp definitely punishes but it's too tight.
> My opinion this match sucks hard for Hugo.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> cr.LK into super will work, but why am I going to do rolls against a
>> fully stacked Hugo player in the first place?
>>
>> I'm not disregarding the option, just saying that it's the same reason
>> why players will stop doing something if an opponent has an Ultra or Super
>> that can beat it.
>>
>> Maybe it's my screen, but c.MP doesn't always connect, and this is
>> offline.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried lp/lk/c.lp/lkxxsuper for the punish?
>>>
>>> I did some research and I see his C.MP is 8 frames and does 110 damage
>>> if this hit then Hugo should not have problems with the roll(except online
>>> that is).
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z_9kfsKhSnXWfnr66aUX_hwXWxAAuh4xRRWbFtTKyts/edit?pli=1#gid=0
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *lol* I tend to look at it from both characters' perspectives, not just
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> It's not a dilemma really, it's just a matter of facts :) Hugo benefits
>>>> from his armor moves (especially s.FP). If you take that away, you're
>>>> already pretty close to beating him. There's not really much else that he's
>>>> going to use in this matchup to close the gap other than clap or jump-ins,
>>>> both of which don't pose a threat to Rolento at all.
>>>>
>>>> cr.LK xx LP Lariat combos, yes. It's the only lariat that does. But I'm
>>>> trying to understand the significance of it comboing in this matchup?
>>>> That's why I asked you to elaborate :) When Hugo tries to punish the roll
>>>> on block, the only thing that will connect is the LK. The lariat will whiff
>>>> because its range is ass.
>>>>
>>>> Forget trying to punish rolls with anything other than cr.LK or cr.LP.
>>>> Doesn't matter which version it is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I asked if it combos and you said yes...
>>>>> I don't know what happens when Hugo tries to punish the roll with
>>>>> c.lkxxlariat on block.
>>>>> Rolento has a few things to beat focus so Hugo should restrain from
>>>>> focusing or using amour moves to just get in.
>>>>> What other normals/moves/super/utlra can Hugo use that are 8 frames or
>>>>> faster and can punish the roll/ex roll?
>>>>> By the way it's a Hugo players's dilemma not mine :D
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bra, you'll have to elaborate. How will roll not be a threat against
>>>>>> Hugo and how will he walk Rolento to the corner? I have yet to see Hugo
>>>>>> actually legitimately do that against any character in this game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roll breaks armor, it's tough to react to at the best of times, and
>>>>>> Hugo can't really punish it for shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you meant that Hugo can just punish roll on block, that won't
>>>>>> work. You can test this yourself in training mode. Try and punish roll on
>>>>>> block with cr.LK xx LP Lariat. See what happens. There's a reason why
>>>>>> Alucard just does cr.LK xx LP clap after it. It's the only way for him to
>>>>>> at least do chip damage in that situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering that a good Rolento would be mobile against Hugo, I fail
>>>>>> to see how j.FP is going to make any kind of difference in the matchup.
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> order for it to be effective, you'd have to at least be able to hit
>>>>>> Rolento
>>>>>> first. Hugo's not exactly the most mobile character in the game.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There you have it, the roll will no longer trouble big hugo.
>>>>>>> All Hugo needs to do is walk the bugger to the corner and his done.
>>>>>>> Did you know that Hugo's jumping FP stuffs rolento's non existent
>>>>>>> anti-air game?
>>>>>>> There is only Ultra 1 to worry about but every other option at best
>>>>>>> will trade and that's great for Hugo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah he can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can Hugo combo his c.lk into running close line/lariat?
>>>>>>>>> That's all they guy pretty much did and that was dumb.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *lol* Well this isn't exactly a favourable matchup for Hugo.
>>>>>>>>>> Rolento has the tools and mobility to keep Hugo at bay while also
>>>>>>>>>> nullifying his armored options. Alucard's been doing quite well with
>>>>>>>>>> Hugo
>>>>>>>>>> thus far, but it's plain as day that his options in this matchup are
>>>>>>>>>> limited to building meter and hoping that the Rolento player does
>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>> stupid (which was the only time Alucard was able to do any kind of
>>>>>>>>>> damage
>>>>>>>>>> in this match). Hugo has no safe way of getting in and all of his
>>>>>>>>>> armored
>>>>>>>>>> moves have weaknesses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rolento is less ridiculous against characters who can pressure
>>>>>>>>>> him effectively; especially characters who can push him to the
>>>>>>>>>> corner and
>>>>>>>>>> keep him there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Ilitirit Sama <
>>>>>>>>>> ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rolento is a ridiculous character. In this match the only
>>>>>>>>>>> buttons the dude presses is 3 Punches and Hard Kick. He
>>>>>>>>>>> accidentally
>>>>>>>>>>> presses light kick somewhere in the round
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh3XKgc-zts
>>>>>>>>>>>
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