Re: USF4 changes!
- From: Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 00:28:45 +0200
Highest i had was Johnnie Green. So smooth. Compare to the other stuff we
usually drink in thailand...those are like petrol. It's a treat to have
Johnnie Black hahaha
Wonder how smooth Blue will be :/
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Just going the simple route - Johnny blue.
> *From*: Ilitirit Sama [mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent*: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:19 PM South Africa Standard Time
>
> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
>
> Shot of Don Julio Reposado, slice of pineapple, dab of Wasabi
>
> Don Hara Kiri
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Wtf? Some overkill there. Just stick to my tequila.
>> *From*: Ilitirit Sama [mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx]
>> *Sent*: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:04 PM South Africa Standard Time
>>
>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
>>
>> That's called a Hand Grenade.
>>
>> One shot of tequila resting against a shot of Jaegermeister in a glass
>> above some red bull. The tequila is the "pin". When you pull it the
>> Jaegermeister drops into the red bull and causes the "explosion".
>>
>> One level up is called a Missile. It's the same thing, but with a shot
>> of Absinthe as well. You pull the Absinthe and Tequila and drink them
>> quickly after each other. By the time you get to drinking the Jaegerbomb
>> you feel like you've been hit by a missile.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Erm... Jaeger bombs and tequila... I don't think I'm making work
>>> tomorrow...
>>> Not really following the emails either.
>>>
>>> *From*: Ilitirit Sama [mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> *Sent*: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:07 PM South Africa Standard Time
>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
>>>
>>> The gameplay demo of MGSV was awesome, but it does make the Fulton RS
>>> seem OP. I hope they balance it out nicely in the final version. I mean,
>>> it costs 1000 GMP for a cardboard box delivery, but only 300 GMP per Fulton?
>>>
>>> Game looks incredibly fun though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah k
>>>>
>>>> All I know about how its generated is the bit you quoted from Otaku,
>>>> havent seen any interviews myself yet.
>>>>
>>>> While that sounds less impressive it should probably count as a
>>>> procedurally generated "cat" instead of generated "animal". So I guess
>>>> they could technically not be lying... :P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There will be shortcuts taken. From the 1st time I saw this I was
>>>> just thinking is how the hell will a Indy team manage this?
>>>>
>>>> Will see someday I guess. Hope they take their time and do it
>>>> properly.
>>>>
>>>> Game looks intriguing
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:09:21 +0200
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>>> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> But that's what I'm saying. From the interview it just sounds like
>>>> they just have blueprints for known animals. Cats, dinosaurs, fish. How
>>>> many ways can you really generate a cat? Who is really going to be
>>>> impressed when they see a spotted panther for the 5th time, only in a
>>>> different colour or size? In Spore, every animal has the potential to look
>>>> completely different. I'm not getting a sense of any of that from what
>>>> they are doing here. They didn't mention anything about exotic animals.
>>>> They mention that deer will exist on different planets but they will look
>>>> different. That's not impressive. Deer exist in different countries on
>>>> Earth and they look different. In Spore, no two animals look the same
>>>> (well, some do by virtue of mutation). So either they're overstating what
>>>> their engine is capable of, or it's not yet ready for a proper demo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Generating tree's and animals could use the same kind of level
>>>> generation algorithms I reckon.
>>>>
>>>> A "exotic" animal could have 1-8 legs. Its ass cant be too close to
>>>> its mouth, the legs need to be in usable positions.
>>>> Or tree's, cant have all the branches/leaves be too close together or
>>>> oddly spread out... so there will be some sort of algorithm to make them
>>>> look "natural".
>>>>
>>>> I dont see how it is any different.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still have no real idea what you actually have to do in the game...
>>>> other than "explore". Gather stuff? Trade? Fight? Do what and to what
>>>> end?
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully they can make it fun.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 20:35:15 +0200
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>>> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> If you have a base template and just tweak a few variables, it's not
>>>> really procedural. It's just randomly assigning values to different
>>>> properties. eg. When you click "Random Appearance" on the character build
>>>> menu in an RPG. There's no real algorithm behind it. Procedural level
>>>> generation on the other hand does require an algorithm eg. exit can't be
>>>> too close to the start, every room must have an entrance etc etc.
>>>>
>>>> I also think don't think they're going to be able to deliver what
>>>> they mentioned, or at least make it fun without some big changes. They
>>>> said the gameplay will take place in on true Universal scale. Ignoring the
>>>> mathematics, it honestly sounds like the most boring MMO ever. The odds of
>>>> you running into another player is exceedingly small, and they even
>>>> acknowledge it! What's the point of an MMO where there's little-to-no
>>>> interaction with other players? It might as well be a single-player game.
>>>> I think this is one aspect of the game they will need to rethink very
>>>> carefully.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I dont take any marketing jargon seriously... dont see why this is
>>>> any different.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only thing im worried about is that they have bitten off more than
>>>> they can chew. The game sounds and looks good but im not sure if its
>>>> doable properly with a Indy team/budget.
>>>>
>>>> If the size of it is really what they claim it to be then procedural
>>>> generation would be the only way to go. Nobody would create that big of a
>>>> universe by hand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "*From the article on Kotaku it seems they just have a base template
>>>> for various classes of animals and plants and they tweak it to give them
>>>> slightly different appearances. That's very different from procedural
>>>> generation.*"
>>>>
>>>> Why is it different? Diablo 2 levels where procedurally generated...
>>>> they were never the same. (Maybe not never but the odds are that it
>>>> happened). Using sets of preconstructed base items/areas/stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Its just varying degrees. If they builds stuff modular or
>>>> interchangable enough they could "hopefully" generate a shitload of
>>>> different "Stuff".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The scope of the universe alone sounds amazing tho if they can keep
>>>> it from beeing too samey after you have seen too much of their
>>>> "constructions"
>>>>
>>>> Would be cool if they pull this off
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:57:36 +0200
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>>> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> There's no way I can take any game that makes claims like that
>>>> seriously.
>>>>
>>>> They start out by saying all footage is captured in real time.
>>>> Believable.
>>>>
>>>> Then they start talking about procedural generation. Unbelievable.
>>>> So, how much of it then is just marketing blurb? I really doubt they
>>>> generated life algorithmically (they have fish and dinosaurs). It's not
>>>> impossible (Spore did it), but so now I scratch that off my list as well.
>>>> What does that leave you with then? Procedurally generated terrain?
>>>> That's nothing new or interesting.
>>>>
>>>> From the article on Kotaku it seems they just have a base template for
>>>> various classes of animals and plants and they tweak it to give them
>>>> slightly different appearances. That's very different from procedural
>>>> generation.
>>>>
>>>> Those systems Ream mentioned are indeed real. Murray and Ream showed me
>>>> their toolset to prove just how infinite the creatures and objects in their
>>>> game are.
>>>> Ream pulls up a blue-ish menu with lines of code written across the
>>>> screen and quickly clicks across it to pull up a very specific menu within
>>>> their engine. Before I know it, he's selected an option for trees and I'm
>>>> staring at one. There's a blueprint for a fairly standard-looking tree off
>>>> on the right. He clicks a button that says "view variants." Dozens of new
>>>> trees—of different shapes, sizes, and colors—pop up on the left.
>>>> "This is our toolset," Murray says as we scroll through the trees. "We
>>>> built our own engine. It's super crappy, but it's kind of like Unity or
>>>> something like that. We've written it all around procedural generation. And
>>>> that's kind of what we spent the first year, when it was just four of us,
>>>> what we spent our time doing. And then the last month before the VGXs we
>>>> built the trailer using that."
>>>>
>>>> http://kotaku.com/how-a-seemingly-impossible-game-is-possible-1592820595
>>>>
>>>> Personally I think they're either just throwing the word around for
>>>> marketing hype, or their engine is nowhere near in a state where they can
>>>> start demoing true procedurally generated life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you are taking a marketing comment a tad too serious...
>>>>
>>>> I fairly sure its just a fancy way of saying the all of the
>>>> environments are procedurally generated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:44:25 +0200
>>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>>> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This trailer for this game pisses me off so much that I want to
>>>> smash my PC monitor
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-v6R_T1hEs
>>>>
>>>> Every atom procedural? WTF does that even mean you morons?
>>>>
>>>> Did you codify the laws of Quantum Physics into your engine so that
>>>> quarks had no choice BUT to assemble into stable atoms?
>>>>
>>>> And if you got that far, why even bother telling us stuff like leaves,
>>>> rocks and planets are procedurally generated? Surely these things should
>>>> have just emerged from your awesome Quantum Physics engine?
>>>>
>>>> Or let's give them the benefit of the doubt and suppose they just
>>>> have algorithms than can arbitrarily combine electrons, protons and
>>>> neutrons to create new atoms (much easier than even understanding Quantum
>>>> Mechanics). There are about 7*10^27 atoms in 70kg human body. Suppose
>>>> their algorithm can procedurally create 100 atoms per microsecond (100
>>>> million per second). That means in order to create a human it would take
>>>> 2.22 * 10^9 millenia to procedurally generate 1 human.
>>>>
>>>> -_-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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