Re: USF4 changes!
- From: Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 00:27:00 +0200
Do they have Absinthe here? i had some back in bkk at some high end bar but
i don't think it's the crazy type one. Not bad tho, took a while to
prepare...need to melt sugar and alll that jazz...\
the results afterwards is ok. took 2 shots. no issue. but the "10 second"
game afterwards...that one was the killer.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> That's called a Hand Grenade.
>
> One shot of tequila resting against a shot of Jaegermeister in a glass
> above some red bull. The tequila is the "pin". When you pull it the
> Jaegermeister drops into the red bull and causes the "explosion".
>
> One level up is called a Missile. It's the same thing, but with a shot of
> Absinthe as well. You pull the Absinthe and Tequila and drink them quickly
> after each other. By the time you get to drinking the Jaegerbomb you feel
> like you've been hit by a missile.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Erm... Jaeger bombs and tequila... I don't think I'm making work
>> tomorrow...
>> Not really following the emails either.
>>
>> *From*: Ilitirit Sama [mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx]
>> *Sent*: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:07 PM South Africa Standard Time
>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
>>
>> The gameplay demo of MGSV was awesome, but it does make the Fulton RS
>> seem OP. I hope they balance it out nicely in the final version. I mean,
>> it costs 1000 GMP for a cardboard box delivery, but only 300 GMP per Fulton?
>>
>> Game looks incredibly fun though.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah k
>>>
>>> All I know about how its generated is the bit you quoted from Otaku,
>>> havent seen any interviews myself yet.
>>>
>>> While that sounds less impressive it should probably count as a
>>> procedurally generated "cat" instead of generated "animal". So I guess
>>> they could technically not be lying... :P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There will be shortcuts taken. From the 1st time I saw this I was
>>> just thinking is how the hell will a Indy team manage this?
>>>
>>> Will see someday I guess. Hope they take their time and do it
>>> properly.
>>>
>>> Game looks intriguing
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:09:21 +0200
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> But that's what I'm saying. From the interview it just sounds like they
>>> just have blueprints for known animals. Cats, dinosaurs, fish. How many
>>> ways can you really generate a cat? Who is really going to be impressed
>>> when they see a spotted panther for the 5th time, only in a different
>>> colour or size? In Spore, every animal has the potential to look
>>> completely different. I'm not getting a sense of any of that from what
>>> they are doing here. They didn't mention anything about exotic animals.
>>> They mention that deer will exist on different planets but they will look
>>> different. That's not impressive. Deer exist in different countries on
>>> Earth and they look different. In Spore, no two animals look the same
>>> (well, some do by virtue of mutation). So either they're overstating what
>>> their engine is capable of, or it's not yet ready for a proper demo.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Generating tree's and animals could use the same kind of level
>>> generation algorithms I reckon.
>>>
>>> A "exotic" animal could have 1-8 legs. Its ass cant be too close to
>>> its mouth, the legs need to be in usable positions.
>>> Or tree's, cant have all the branches/leaves be too close together or
>>> oddly spread out... so there will be some sort of algorithm to make them
>>> look "natural".
>>>
>>> I dont see how it is any different.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have no real idea what you actually have to do in the game...
>>> other than "explore". Gather stuff? Trade? Fight? Do what and to what
>>> end?
>>>
>>> Hopefully they can make it fun.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 20:35:15 +0200
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> If you have a base template and just tweak a few variables, it's not
>>> really procedural. It's just randomly assigning values to different
>>> properties. eg. When you click "Random Appearance" on the character build
>>> menu in an RPG. There's no real algorithm behind it. Procedural level
>>> generation on the other hand does require an algorithm eg. exit can't be
>>> too close to the start, every room must have an entrance etc etc.
>>>
>>> I also think don't think they're going to be able to deliver what they
>>> mentioned, or at least make it fun without some big changes. They said the
>>> gameplay will take place in on true Universal scale. Ignoring the
>>> mathematics, it honestly sounds like the most boring MMO ever. The odds of
>>> you running into another player is exceedingly small, and they even
>>> acknowledge it! What's the point of an MMO where there's little-to-no
>>> interaction with other players? It might as well be a single-player game.
>>> I think this is one aspect of the game they will need to rethink very
>>> carefully.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont take any marketing jargon seriously... dont see why this is
>>> any different.
>>>
>>>
>>> Only thing im worried about is that they have bitten off more than
>>> they can chew. The game sounds and looks good but im not sure if its
>>> doable properly with a Indy team/budget.
>>>
>>> If the size of it is really what they claim it to be then procedural
>>> generation would be the only way to go. Nobody would create that big of a
>>> universe by hand.
>>>
>>>
>>> "*From the article on Kotaku it seems they just have a base template
>>> for various classes of animals and plants and they tweak it to give them
>>> slightly different appearances. That's very different from procedural
>>> generation.*"
>>>
>>> Why is it different? Diablo 2 levels where procedurally generated...
>>> they were never the same. (Maybe not never but the odds are that it
>>> happened). Using sets of preconstructed base items/areas/stuff.
>>>
>>> Its just varying degrees. If they builds stuff modular or
>>> interchangable enough they could "hopefully" generate a shitload of
>>> different "Stuff".
>>>
>>>
>>> The scope of the universe alone sounds amazing tho if they can keep it
>>> from beeing too samey after you have seen too much of their "constructions"
>>>
>>> Would be cool if they pull this off
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:57:36 +0200
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> There's no way I can take any game that makes claims like that
>>> seriously.
>>>
>>> They start out by saying all footage is captured in real time.
>>> Believable.
>>>
>>> Then they start talking about procedural generation. Unbelievable.
>>> So, how much of it then is just marketing blurb? I really doubt they
>>> generated life algorithmically (they have fish and dinosaurs). It's not
>>> impossible (Spore did it), but so now I scratch that off my list as well.
>>> What does that leave you with then? Procedurally generated terrain?
>>> That's nothing new or interesting.
>>>
>>> From the article on Kotaku it seems they just have a base template for
>>> various classes of animals and plants and they tweak it to give them
>>> slightly different appearances. That's very different from procedural
>>> generation.
>>>
>>> Those systems Ream mentioned are indeed real. Murray and Ream showed me
>>> their toolset to prove just how infinite the creatures and objects in their
>>> game are.
>>> Ream pulls up a blue-ish menu with lines of code written across the
>>> screen and quickly clicks across it to pull up a very specific menu within
>>> their engine. Before I know it, he's selected an option for trees and I'm
>>> staring at one. There's a blueprint for a fairly standard-looking tree off
>>> on the right. He clicks a button that says "view variants." Dozens of new
>>> trees—of different shapes, sizes, and colors—pop up on the left.
>>> "This is our toolset," Murray says as we scroll through the trees. "We
>>> built our own engine. It's super crappy, but it's kind of like Unity or
>>> something like that. We've written it all around procedural generation. And
>>> that's kind of what we spent the first year, when it was just four of us,
>>> what we spent our time doing. And then the last month before the VGXs we
>>> built the trailer using that."
>>>
>>> http://kotaku.com/how-a-seemingly-impossible-game-is-possible-1592820595
>>>
>>> Personally I think they're either just throwing the word around for
>>> marketing hype, or their engine is nowhere near in a state where they can
>>> start demoing true procedurally generated life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like you are taking a marketing comment a tad too serious...
>>>
>>> I fairly sure its just a fancy way of saying the all of the
>>> environments are procedurally generated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:44:25 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> This trailer for this game pisses me off so much that I want to smash
>>> my PC monitor
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-v6R_T1hEs
>>>
>>> Every atom procedural? WTF does that even mean you morons?
>>>
>>> Did you codify the laws of Quantum Physics into your engine so that
>>> quarks had no choice BUT to assemble into stable atoms?
>>>
>>> And if you got that far, why even bother telling us stuff like leaves,
>>> rocks and planets are procedurally generated? Surely these things should
>>> have just emerged from your awesome Quantum Physics engine?
>>>
>>> Or let's give them the benefit of the doubt and suppose they just have
>>> algorithms than can arbitrarily combine electrons, protons and neutrons to
>>> create new atoms (much easier than even understanding Quantum Mechanics).
>>> There are about 7*10^27 atoms in 70kg human body. Suppose their algorithm
>>> can procedurally create 100 atoms per microsecond (100 million per
>>> second). That means in order to create a human it would take 2.22 * 10^9
>>> millenia to procedurally generate 1 human.
>>>
>>> -_-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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