Re: USF4 changes!
- From: Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:03:45 +0200
I like the Jojo approach for some characters in dashing and running.
double tap does dash, holding 2nd tap does run. I wonder if it'll be the
same in MK.
...about the interview, anyone see the Sackboy walking on the side? Do
want that costume!
I also bought all the jojo dlc.
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> deathfist is super important.
> I would say it is responsible for most of my defense in tekken.
>
> just play a df happy stu and level up.
>
> On 13/06/2014, greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx <greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > He has a death fist that rapes your life bar in 1 shot,, and its hard to
> > punish and paul sounds like his taking a crap every second,, Law needs to
> > nerfed to shit also,, the deathfist of paul is all that needs nerfing 40%
> > less damage
> > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Donaldson, Alasdair" <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sender: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 10:02:01
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: USF4 changes!
> >
> > Nah, Paul doesn’t need any changes.
> >
> > He’s been happily mid-tier for most Tekken games. Since BR, and in TTT2,
> > it’s arguable that he’s in the higher part of the mid-tier group.
> >
> > I have no complaints about Paul. I mean, it would be nice to have better
> > tracking, or a few more plus frame options, but that’s more on the
> ‘really
> > nice to have’, rather than ‘needs this to be playable’.
> > His combo damage is solid – not top tier, but fine from all angles. His
> > punishment game is excellent. His wall damage is good. His pokes are
> average
> > – a couple of really nice ones though (ws+4, d+1). His carry and TA are
> very
> > nice. His lows aren’t that amazing, but he has enough other tools to make
> > him viable.
> >
> >
> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: 13 June 2014 11:55 AM
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >
> > I have complaints about Paul and his move set
> > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> > ________________________________
> > From: "Donaldson, Alasdair"
> > <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> > Sender: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:50:26 +0000
> > To:
> > cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> %3ccpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > ReplyTo: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: USF4 changes!
> >
> > And Paul gets dumbed every Tekken. I’m surprised he can string a sentence
> > together.
> >
> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Di Lhong
> > Sent: 13 June 2014 11:48 AM
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >
> > The story is pretty good for a fighting game. Tekken's storyline is so
> > bad...if you're not part of the mishimas...you're just there...i mean
> look
> > at christie, she's been after Eddy since T4. And her speech...Eddy! Eddy!
> > wtf.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> > <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> > wrote:
> > Oh, I think Kahn, Sindel, Noob and Tsung are the only ones that didn’t
> look
> > to be ‘res-able’ for Quan’s zombie army.
> >
> > Not sure what they’re doing with the storyline though.
> >
> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >]
> > On Behalf Of Di Lhong
> > Sent: 13 June 2014 11:29 AM
> >
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >
> > Same. Even if Mileena is bottom tier, i'll still play her. :)
> >
> > Hopefully she'll return, she didn't die in mk9 did she? but with D'Vorah,
> > i'm not sure they'll have another "monster" chick in the series. D'Vorah
> so
> > far looks awesome. Ferra/Thorr also looks fun. Like how they implemented
> the
> > 2 as one character. Well design stuff in MKX. It'll be sad not to see
> some
> > of the original cast, but i welcome the new ones :)
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> > <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> > wrote:
> > Well I’d rather just play the characters that I like. For MK it was
> always
> > going to be Scorp and Subby. I wanted to play Mileena, but I also wanted
> her
> > to be a lot faster than she was. Actually I like most of the MK cast…
> >
> > For Injustice I wanted GL and Shazam. Sadly Shazam was pretty much
> > unplayable and they never fixed that. Next closest option was Bladam. Too
> > bad these turned out the really bad match-ups for Grundy…
> >
> >
> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >]
> > On Behalf Of Di Lhong
> > Sent: 13 June 2014 11:05 AM
> >
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >
> > True. But also it depends on who they hired i guess. I doubt they hired
> > anyone in the Sindel community to balance her out. Some people are just
> out
> > to balance their own character, while some gets forgotten entirely. The
> > worst are those who can't see why their character is broken and flip out
> > completely when they want to nerf something of their character...i rather
> > win with my own skills than rely on OP characters.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> > <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> > wrote:
> > Yeah, I often wonder what the hell goes through the developer's heads.
> NRS
> > specifically went out of their way to hire people (gamers) to help them
> > balance the game. Then it got released and had to be patched almost
> > immediately. Now I can understand that without a large scale beta test,
> you
> > will not know about every little broken thing, but a lot of the issues
> > really should've been found by the testers.
> >
> > I don't understand why NRS didn't just patch MK9 one more time. Cyrax,
> > Kenshin and Kabal were way too strong. Shiva, Kano and Sindel were a joke
> > from the release, all the way though the patches. How friggin' hard is
> it to
> > listen to the comments from the serious fans?
> >
> > It's just shoddy quality control.
> >
> > Similarly Blizzard has admitted that none of the developers or testers
> for
> > RoS bothered to play the Monk. That's why the class is such a joke
> compared
> > to all the rest. I mean seriously? They couldn't be bothered to test one
> of
> > the classes? There are only 6 classes FFS.
> >
> > In one day you can read through all the posts on the Diablo character
> class
> > forums for the past month. That's enough to get a feel for what the real
> > problems are and who is just a butthurt troll complaining. Then patch
> that
> > shit.
> > No one cares that you are patching the conversations of NPCs. Fix the
> core
> > problems you retards...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >]
> > On Behalf Of Stephen Scheidel
> > Sent: 13 June 2014 10:40 AM
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >
> > Well if they just resist the tendency to be utter fucktards and keep
> broken
> > shit like kabal out of the game there won't be any need for baby game
> > mechanics to try and hide their shoddy balancing.
> >
> > We as a group could balance games better than nrs.
> >
> > On 13/06/2014, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
> >> Not sure how much it'll nulify. But at least they're trying to get rid
> >> of all those insane pressure like Kabal's b+1~nomad rush chip BS.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Stephen Scheidel
> >> <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> So they are just giving noobs a chance to escape.
> >>> Devs are really trying to make games purely a rock paper scissor thing.
> >>>
> >>> What's the point of a tough situation if you can just nullify it with
> >>> some noob feature.
> >>>
> >>> On 12/06/2014, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Let's put it this way. The movement is basically the same as MK9.
> >>> > But now they added a new metere called "agility bar" where you can
> >>> > use it to do full/half screen run and do an evasive spacing
> >>> > backdash (i'm not sure if normal backdashing will consume such
> >>> > meter/bar...) So if you had 0
> >>> problem
> >>> > with movement in mk9. mkx agility bar shouldn't cause you any
> >>> > trouble for your own movement. I see it as an escape mechanism more
> >>> > than offensive.
> >>> > because you need agility meter to use interactables and "evasive"
> >>> backdash.
> >>> > the backdash range is big enough to punish wiff. so it SHOULD cause
> >>> > bar.
> >>> if
> >>> > the normal backdash already does that, then no need to use agility
> >>> > bar.
> >>> >
> >>> > It doesn't take away anything. It's adding more escape mechanism
> >>> > for
> >>> people
> >>> > who have a tough time with rushdown characters up on their face...
> >>> >
> >>> > Also the meter recovers really quickly (like 1-2 sec for full 2 bars?
> >>> dunno
> >>> > will check again...might be faster)...so it's not like you'll not
> >>> > be able to use it every now and then. But if you abuse the
> >>> > meter...then you'll
> >>> pay
> >>> > for it when you really need it. The bars are there so you don't
> >>> > just
> >>> abuse
> >>> > the agility bar backdash and jump off walls all the time with no
> >>> > consequences.
> >>> >
> >>> > We don't know how's the recovery on the agility bar either. If it's
> >>> > good then it should cost bars...if it's crap then no.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
> >>> > <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> I used the run button all the time.
> >>> >> On 12 Jun 2014 16:38, "Donaldson, Alasdair"
> >>> >> <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Did you ever use the run button in MK3? I think I used it when
> >>> trolling
> >>> >>> with Cyrax and his grab into stuff, or with one of old SubZero’s
> >>> combos…
> >>> >>> not much else.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> It will be interesting seeing how this changes the oki game.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I actually thought the movement in MK9 was fine. I mean for
> >>> >>> general
> >>> play
> >>> >>> between us (non Kabal/Kenshi matches). Felt smooth enough.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> *From:*
> >>> >>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
> >>> >>> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Robertson-Muir
> >>> >>> *Sent:* 12 June 2014 4:32 PM
> >>> >>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> *Subject:* RE: USF4 changes!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> You can use bar for teleport stuff in kof. Most of it is last
> >>> >>> dich when I use it.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 12 Jun 2014 16:28, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
> >>> >>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Don't you need meter for some of the movement stuff in KOF? I
> >>> >>> mean the rolls?
> >>> >>> Who knows how this is going to work? I presume the backdashing
> >>> >>> will be enough to clear the space and either give you the
> >>> >>> opportunity to whiff punish or set up some zoning stuff.
> >>> >>> This is MK... they've never had proper backdashes before. They're
> >>> >>> now adding new movement and people are still complaining that
> >>> >>> this will reduce their ability to play the game? How?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>> From:
> >>> >>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> [mailto:
> >>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
> >>> >>> On Behalf Of Manase Zote
> >>> >>> Sent: 12 June 2014 4:22 PM
> >>> >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> In other games we can backlash until the cows come home and there
> >>> >>> is no meter for that and the game is still fair nothing broken
> >>> >>> about the mechanic. lol In street fighter if you backdash non
> >>> >>> stop you corner yourself and that alone is bad so I still don't
> >>> >>> understand why you
> >>> would
> >>> >>> need meter in helping with your suicide(cornering yourself).
> >>> >>> My suggestion is just balance the back dash so that it's not
> >>> >>> OP(like in SF, KOF and other 2D fighters).
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Di Lhong
> >>> >>> <numotd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>> >>> > The "agility bar" backdash covers much more distance than that
> >>> >>> > i think.
> >>> >>> > Also, if we can just backdash nonstop and avoid normals and
> >>> >>> > strings...rushdown/pressure characters will have problem,
> >>> >>> > because they'll just backdash and avoid everything all the time.
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > Unless they make backdashing more technical like Tekken. I
> >>> >>> > think the agility bar is fair. It doesn't limit anything at
> >>> >>> > all. It helps with tough situation.
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Manase Zote
> >>> >>> > <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> MK9 didn't have a bar for back dashing and it was just fine so
> >>> >>> >> what was wrong with that?
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Di Lhong
> >>> >>> >> <numotd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> > The movement and pace of the game seems to be the same as
> >>> >>> >> > mk9 (which i think is ok but not the best). The agility bar
> >>> >>> >> > enhances that a lot more for
> >>> >>> >> > 1-2
> >>> >>> >> > bars. So i don't mind it. It doesn't limit the movement of
> >>> >>> >> > game at
> >>> >>> all.
> >>> >>> >> > Eg.
> >>> >>> >> > Tekken movement but you can do a "super" backdash for 1
> >>> >>> >> > agility
> >>> bar
> >>> >>> >> > (that fills up on it's own pretty nicely) to get out of
> >>> >>> >> > Nina's
> >>> df+1
> >>> >>> >> > ss+1 pressure...or spend 2 agility bars to avoid nina's df+1
> >>> >>> >> > ss+1
> >>> >>> >> > pressure by using stage interactables and jump away. Not
> >>> >>> >> > sure if you're invincible or not during the jump...What was
> >>> >>> >> > injustice
> >>> like?
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > So the basic movements is there. No limitation at all.
> >>> >>> >> > Agility bar helps but doesn't defy the whole movement
> >>> >>> >> > gameplay.
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Manase Zote
> >>> >>> >> > <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> At this point no one knows how all of the above system
> >>> >>> >> >> mechanics are going to turn out.
> >>> >>> >> >> Limiting movement to a bar is a crime in any fighting game
> >>> because
> >>> >>> >> >> you need movement for everything you do in a fighting game.
> >>> >>> >> >> It also affects the pacing of the overall match. So for me
> >>> >>> >> >> limiting movement to a bar is a gimmick and will only give
> >>> players
> >>> >>> >> >> more problems rather than assisting them in a match.
> >>> >>> >> >> I still don't see how styles can solve bad match ups, zoner
> >>> >>> >> >> will always have an advantage from range, rushdown owns
> >>> >>> >> >> up-close...
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Di Lhong
> >>> >>> >> >> <numotd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> > There's an agility bar. New bar. Nothing to do with EX bar.
> >>> >>> >> >> > It
> >>> >>> >> >> > fills up pretty quickly. There's 2 bar. You use 1 to
> >>> >>> >> >> > perform
> >>> run
> >>> >>> >> >> > or a backdash (spaces out quite a bit). I think this is
> >>> >>> >> >> > fair.
> >>> It
> >>> >>> >> >> > fills up fast enough to use it every now and then. But
> >>> >>> >> >> > not enough to just spam nonstop. You use
> >>> >>> >> >> > 2 to
> >>> >>> >> >> > use stage interactables. So it's not a stage
> >>> >>> >> >> > interactablefest like Injustice. You have to decide if
> >>> >>> >> >> > it'll be worth it to use interactables or to just dash up
> >>> >>> >> >> > to continue pressure / dash away to keep zoning.
> >>> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> > As for variation. It's like saying Catwomen decides to do
> >>> >>> rushdown.
> >>> >>> >> >> > And
> >>> >>> >> >> > Grundy decides to do "zoning" with his zombie ground grab
> >>> thingy
> >>> >>> >> >> > (meaning he'll not have his armor chainthrows etc.)
> >>> >>> >> >> > Catwomen will just run up to grundy with her claw slash
> >>> >>> >> >> > and ignore most of Grundy's zoning. I'm hoping the
> >>> >>> >> >> > character variation is NOT going to be
> >>> >>> >> >> > rock/paper/scissors. Hope it helps you with really bad
> >>> >>> >> >> > match up, but still at the end of the day...it's what you
> >>> >>> >> >> > do. Because in MK9, i can just spam Kabal's instant air
> >>> fireball
> >>> >>> >> >> > like a noob and know some combos and it'll already be
> >>> >>> >> >> > hard to win against kabal without having to learn his
> >>> >>> >> >> > advance nomad
> >>> dash
> >>> >>> >> >> > cancels if you play someone who has trouble with zoning.
> >>> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> > so instead of choosing a variation and giving you instant
> >>> >>> >> >> > win (because you only keep a few moveset between
> >>> >>> >> >> > variations). i'm hoping variation helps with really bad
> >>> >>> >> >> > match ups like 9-1 or
> >>> 8-2
> >>> >>> >> >> > to something like 6-4 or 5-5 and what not. because
> >>> >>> >> >> > fighting games should be about what you can do as a player.
> >>> >>> >> >> > just because i know stupid spamming basic kabal shouldn't
> >>> >>> >> >> > give me instant advantage over someone who's really good
> >>> >>> >> >> > with
> >>> sheeva,
> >>> >>> >> >> > scorpion or sub zero (don't know which characters have
> >>> >>> >> >> > issue with zoning in mk9...)
> >>> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Manase Zote <
> >>> bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> SAP just told me that you need meter to run?
> >>> >>> >> >> >> Isn't that supposed to be stone age mechanics(having a
> >>> >>> >> >> >> meter for running)?
> >>> >>> >> >> >> Who said running was broken?
> >>> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> *Sigh*
> >>> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> Back in MK3/UMK3/MK4 that meter also managed your combos
> >>> >>> >> >> >> so no meter no chain combos no running around :(
> >>> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Wynand-Ben
> >>> >>> >> >> >> <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> > Im also not seeing how it can help bad matchups.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> > Picking a different version of the same character or a
> >>> >>> >> >> >> > different character all together between matches would
> >>> >>> >> >> >> > be just like it was now.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> > Counterpicking etc.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:11:20 +0200
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> From: bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> How do you get around the rock/paper/scissors
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> character selection?
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Player 1 picks his zoning scorpion while player 2
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> goes for rush down version of scorpion, it will still
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> be a bad match up for one of the guys regardless.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Tools of the characters, match-up exp and lastly the
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> skill level and execution will be the deciding
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> factor.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> To me the understanding of a balance fighting is to
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> make every character the same...
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Di Lhong <
> >>> numotd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > Hmmm a good fighting game shouldn't be all about
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > bad
> >>> match
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > up and lack of knowledge...it should still be fun
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > and challenging in another level when your opponent
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > knows
> >>> what
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > your character can do.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > Yes there are bad match ups and character knowledge
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > in fighting games.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > but
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > it shouldn't be in a state of "i know what you're
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > doing, but i can't retaliate at all"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > Eg. Tekken. Capos. If my opponent knows how to deal
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > with relax stance and such. I'll play in another
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > mode :) There is no "instant" win in tekken.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > you
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > can play bears and still win against top tier
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > character because you the player are just better.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > shouldn't be bringing a plastic ruler to a gun fight
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > situation.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > should
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > be more or less "experienced fighter with a
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > slightly
> >>> blunt
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > knife" vs "an okay-ish fighter with a sharp knife".
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Manase Zote
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> This method of balancing looks like a throw of
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> dice to me.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> It can go either way, you potentially have a
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> scenario where you can lose a match based on lack
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> of character knowledge rather than skill.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> If the game has like 30 characters for an example
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> multiply that by 3 so on average you need to be
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> aware of what all 90 variations are capable of?
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Let's wait and see what the move list looks like
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> and how many moves will change between 3
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> variations of a character.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Di Lhong
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> <numotd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > 11.59? XD
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > Hopefully the character variation will be some
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > answer to really bad match up. Not sure how
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > they'll balance
> >>> it
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > tho. It'll be weird to just be a total counter
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > to another characters variation completely. If
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > that's the case, it'll be more rock paper
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > scissors situation than a fighting game lolz
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > hopefully the variations will
> >>> make
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > match ups like 9-1 to 6-4 or what not. So
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > there'll still be unfavourable match ups but not
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > a complete
> >>> lose
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > like MK9...eg. Kabal vs Sheeva...
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ryan Williams
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I think 12:00 is a safer option Rich :)
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:24 PM,
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Is 11:30 fine also?? I wanna get game time as
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> much
> >>> as
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I can Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom -
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> let your email find you!
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Ryan Williams
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Sender:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:15:48 +0200
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> To:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ReplyTo:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Heya peeps, we'll be starting the Sat sessions
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> at 12pm to maximise game time.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Anyone who is keen on starting a little
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> earlier can join us at that time.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> If you aren't able to make 12pm, that's fine
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> as
> >>> well.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Ashraf
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Barendse
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> I think she feeling a bit lazy today. She was
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> like "Can I speak to the main owner of the
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> computer"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> and
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> I was like "he's at work"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> and
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> she
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> was
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> like
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> "k thanx bye"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Nicholas
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Robertson-Muir
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I love those.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Start talking linux, usually goes well.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "move to your start bar"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "don't have one"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "what version of Windows are you using"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "I'm not using Windows"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Open up Internet Explorer"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "don't have that either"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "open your web browser"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "mkay"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "install this app"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "using my regular tar.z loader or the
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> synaptic package manage?"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "huh?"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> good times.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Ashraf
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Barendse
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> lol, got a call from an Indian sounding
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> lady calling from "Windows Technical
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Department"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> How about no.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Ryan
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Williams
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "Can I just buy a complete game please?"
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Not going to happen in this day and age.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Those days are over.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Nicholas
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Robertson-Muir
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> LOL
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I don't know which I hate more about
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fighting
> >>> >>> games.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> The
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> update
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> approach like Street Fighter, or the
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> supposedly new game like Blazblue and
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Persona.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> It makes me not want to buy the games
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anymore, because there will be an Update
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> later.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Can I just buy a complete game please?
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Do I need to buy another Persona now?
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Do I need to buy another Blazblue now?
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I'm just ranting because I see there's a
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> new character coming out for P4A ...and I
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> was planning to get the new Blazblue
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> (english version)...
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> In all honesty, the Capcom approach makes
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> more sense to me, as much as I dislike
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM,
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Wynand-Ben
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> A new dark age starting off with a new
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Guilty Gear I can definitely live with
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> :D
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:59:23 +0200
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > From:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > To:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > I'm all for the next FG dark age.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > Wreal wrap.
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > On 12/06/2014, Ilitirit Sama
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > Mortal Kombat Honest Trailer:
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCiVYKmCveY
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
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> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
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