Re: USF4 changes!
- From: Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:40:06 +0200
Injustice has too much "easy way out" mechanics (throwing objects, wall
jump, traits that give you multi-throw/stance/buffs/etc). I kindda like the
wall jump but coming from a tournament worthy game point of view...it seems
too easy to just wall jump away from corner pressure. Tekken, SF4, MK9,
Guilty Gear doesn't have this "easy way out" mechanics.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ok. to simplify what i'm trying to say. MK9's system is fine as it is.
> Introducing Injustice's trait system can make the game imbalance...
>
> I enjoyed MK9 a lot. Didn't like Injustice so much because there is no
> ground zero for everyone.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> That sounds like a lazy system...
>>
>> SF4 and TTT2 doesn't have such system. IF you can't do a multithrow, it's
>> your fault.
>>
>> Trait system make things harder to balance the game. Grundy is big and
>> slow but he makes up for it with damage which should be more than enough.
>> Why does he need a button for multi-throw? In Tekken, they balance out by
>> giving everyone have AT LEAST some sort of punishment (eg. Jabs) making
>> everyone's jab 10frame. Big characters may have worst sidestepping but they
>> make up in damage and range. It's all innate mechanics, didn't need to rely
>> on special or button to make them strong. SF balance out things by
>> walkspeed, health, stun, etc.
>>
>> MK9 is imbalance in terms on frame data and damage. Which can be fixed
>> easily if they want to.
>>
>> Injustice on the other hand, feels very imbalance because of the
>> character design in the beginning. Catwomen vs GL or Supes is just
>> retarded...And if they buff Catwomen somehow specifically for GL or
>> Supes...it might introduce more issues to characters she already have
>> advantage with in the beginning.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Every trait doesnt have to be a "mode"
>>>
>>> Grundies trait is 3 different throws.
>>> Arrows trait loads one of 3 different elemental arrows and fires them
>>> pressed without directional inputs.
>>> Others are stance changes or temporary buffs
>>>
>>> It can be used for anything they wish with any kind of input
>>> difficulty. Normal moves, specials, stances etc.
>>>
>>> Why does trait suddenly mean you give people uneeded stuff?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: numotd@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:08:55 +0200
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> It's like saying, suddenly capos can avoid all moves from 1 button, kaz
>>> gets CH all the time...etc. If it's only kaz who gets it then, kaz probably
>>> will have some clear disadvantage when he's not in steroid mode. The whole
>>> steroid system for ALL characters will make it harder to balance the game
>>> properly. Characters that have strong normals and specials already
>>> shouldn't get steroids...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont see how it matter really
>>>
>>> The end result is the same.
>>>
>>> They would be equally unique with or without the trait system. All it
>>> does is alter the inputs, it doesnt magically make your character more or
>>> less unique.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: numotd@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:56:48 +0200
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Sacrificing 1 button just for Trait and having 1,2,3 as light medium,
>>> heavy is a bit meh...prefer 1,2 to be punches 3,4 being kicks (don't need
>>> to be left right, can be light medium too)
>>>
>>> Also we should rely on trait system to make a character unique. their
>>> normals and specials should be more than enough.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What difference does it make if its done via trait or other button?
>>>
>>> The effect is the same. You still do the input for the skill.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: numotd@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:49:32 +0200
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> In the gameplay vid, scorpion did some weird fire power up move? please
>>> no trait system...if it's part of his specials then it's ok (like Jade's
>>> Projectile Negation thing)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Reiko.
>>> *From*: Nicholas Robertson-Muir [mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> *Sent*: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 02:44 PM South Africa Standard Time
>>>
>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
>>>
>>> Cyber Zombie Netherrealm Day-Wolf?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cyber Nightwolf!
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:41:09 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope we don't get a long list of crappy dlc characters again.
>>> *From*: Wynand-Ben [mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> *Sent*: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 02:39 PM South Africa Standard Time
>>>
>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Subject*: RE: USF4 changes!
>>>
>>> Zombi Nightwolf shall rise from his grave!
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: numotd@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:36:20 +0200
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> He dead.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Buff Nightwolf!
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:31:59 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>> Or Sonya or Cage...
>>> Oddly enough none of us mained the broken characters.
>>>
>>> *From*: Di Lhong [mailto:numotd@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> *Sent*: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 02:29 PM South Africa Standard Time
>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
>>>
>>> Nina chainthrow breakers is utter useless...you can break those chains
>>> and dmg nina lolz.
>>>
>>> Not sure how we can balance out the whole breaker issue. Shouldn't
>>> revolve the whole game mechanism just because a few characters from MK9 had
>>> issues. Why don't just buff them instead?
>>>
>>> If you play characters in the same tier list, the game plays fine.
>>> It's only when you choose those crazy mofos like kenshi, kung lao, kabal,
>>> etc. your lower tiered characters suffer.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nina has breakers that start chain throws.
>>> MK9 had a lot wrong with it, but I really enjoyed the game.
>>> *From*: Nicholas Robertson-Muir [mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> *Sent*: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 02:20 PM South Africa Standard Time
>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Subject*: Re: USF4 changes!
>>>
>>> I'm with Paas.
>>> The "breakers" have been a cop-out.
>>> A breaker that starts a new combo would be so cool. Why has no-one
>>> done it?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nah fuck MK9 combo breakers
>>>
>>> The whole mechanic is fucked up imo. From being useless to OP depending
>>> in who you are playing etc.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: numotd@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:42:08 +0200
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Combo breakers are fine in MK9.
>>>
>>> Don't just copy injustice...that game is meh compare to MK9. It's like
>>> BR4 compare to BR3...one is an actual fighting game...another is a showcase
>>> of power/special game...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just hope they remove or change the combo breakers in MK9 work
>>> completely.
>>>
>>> Would not mind them just copying Injustice in that department.
>>>
>>>
>>> Better balance would be a huge plus aswell :P
>>>
>>> > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:34:09 +0200
>>>
>>> > Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> > From: bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >
>>> > You mean this. lol
>>> >
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxUIx7vMY4Y
>>> >
>>> > I everyone still has the same walk speed, jump, running mechanic and
>>> > they now added stage inter-actibles.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > > MKX does look a bit injustice-ish...hopefully they didn't change the
>>> button
>>> > > layout too :/
>>> > >
>>> > > Yes on the bug lady! my cup of tea :)
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I'm Stil not a fan of those prices, I mean the Americans and
>>> Japanese
>>> > >> are paying ±R4000 for a machine(stand alone) and we a third world
>>> > >> country are charged 50% more...
>>> > >> We are still better off than Brazil tho but those guys will surely
>>> > >> import their machines from elsewhere.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Wynand-Ben <
>>> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >> > Atleast with Xbone releasing it will give the business end folks
>>> > >> > incentive
>>> > >> > to lower the PS4 price a bit.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > They will be going for the same Dollar/Euro value so cant be
>>> having the
>>> > >> > Xbone going for 6300 and PS4 for 6700.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Will probably be some nice competitive pricing and bundling near
>>> the end
>>> > >> > of
>>> > >> > the year.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > R1700 extra for the kinect is a but much tho...
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:05:36 +0200
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> > >> >> From: bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > >> >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> S.A. is rich bra, they don't care about the Xbone's price :D
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Ashraf Barendse
>>> > >> >> <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > >> >> > Holy Shitballs Batman, Xbone with Kinect is 8 grand.
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Manase Zote <
>>> bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> >> > wrote:
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> Xbone = Xbox one
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM, <
>>> greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> >> >> wrote:
>>> > >> >> >> > Dead rising has always been for PC and Xbox,, also what is
>>> > >> >> >> > XBone???
>>> > >> >> >> > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find
>>> you!
>>> > >> >> >> > ________________________________
>>> > >> >> >> > From: Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> >> >> > Sender: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >> >> >> > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:46:02 +0000
>>> > >> >> >> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> >> >> > ReplyTo: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >> >> >> > Subject: RE: USF4 changes!
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > Aint PC getting Dead Rising 3 soon?
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > DLC may follow aswell
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > ________________________________
>>> > >> >> >> > From: ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > >> >> >> > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:42:46 +0200
>>> > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> > >> >> >> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > New DLC for Dead Rising 3. It's called "Super Ultra Dead
>>> Rising 3'
>>> > >> >> >> > Arcade
>>> > >> >> >> > Remix Hyper Edition EX + α"
>>> > >> >> >> > Dammit why is it Xbone only.
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxVGTDcfR3s
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Manase Zote <
>>> bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> >> >> > wrote:
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > Kool :)
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Wynand-Ben
>>> > >> >> >> > <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> >> >> > wrote:
>>> > >> >> >> >> I guess so... more like a mini-game :P
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >> You do get extra "something" if you got the normal game
>>> they
>>> > >> >> >> >> claim.
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:20:37 +0200
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: USF4 changes!
>>> > >> >> >> >>> From: bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > >> >> >> >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>> So it's not DLC then...
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>>> > >> >> >> >>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > >> >> >> >>> > Yay... Infamous.
>>> > >> >> >> >>> > Happy it's a stand-alone too.
>>> > >> >> >> >>> > No need for a whirring disc.
>>> > >> >> >> >>> >
>>> > >> >> >> >>> >
>>> > >> >> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Nicholas
>>> Robertson-Muir
>>> > >> >> >> >>> > <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > >> >> >> >>> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>> >> Most exciting announcement.
>>> > >> >> >> >>> >> Infamous Second Son DLC.
>>> > >> >> >> >>> >
>>> > >> >> >> >>> >
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
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