RE: Re:

From: Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:06:48 +0200

Same here. Give me real-time frame data, for example, and l'm a happy man.
But what there is has proved useful in helping me understand how the game
functions.
On 23 Feb 2016 15:04, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Yup, I still haven’t watched xrd’s anime story thing. Haven’t bothered to
play through with anyone other than Ky. I did play through all the previous
sf games with each character though. Something to do when I’m bored.

Anyways, if they were only concentrating on the pure fighting game side,
there are a few things I’d have liked included in the training mode. Also
maybe a versus mode that worked alright too.

*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *Ryan Williams
*Sent:* 23 February 2016 02:50 PM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re:

The casuals got the short end of the stick for sure. I'm not condoning
Capcom's actions at all, but l paid for a fighting game, which l happen to
play and enjoy, and for that reason alone, it's a worthwhile purchase.
Story mode, survival, a lack of Arcade mode and all of the other trivial
garbage is whatever. KOF2002 UM has less by comparison and l love the game.
GG Xrd has a story mode, Arcade mode and combo challenges, but I spent most
of my time in training mode.

My reason for purchasing SFV was to play it competitively, first and
foremost. I'm just sad that l can't play against the majority of our guys
online due to the server issues :(

On 23 Feb 2016 14:35, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The fact is that eveyone bought an incomplete game.

Capcom is bodying everyone.

On Tuesday, 23 February 2016, richard moorcroft <
greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

And I will body you afterwards after you are done with Lindsey haha

On Feb 23, 2016 12:05 PM, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I body you 5-0 and then I started getting bored and doing random stuff to
make the game interesting.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:35 AM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Stu just admitted now im not good, meaning Im actually like the best and
now you don't wana admit how good I am.

you not ryt man.

Skill recognizes skill
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behalf of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 23 February 2016 09:30 AM

*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

No I'm saying Capcom forgot how to make games.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:19 AM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

so u saying r mika is really good?

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behalf of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 23 February 2016 09:10 AM

*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

There's nothing worse for me than knowing exactly what the opponent is
going to do next, trying to counter it, and then still failing.  That's
what every match last night against R.Mika felt like.  Every time I knew
you were going to jump (especially out of the corner), I tried air-to-air.
But in Capcom's infinite wisdom, they decided to make the *hurt-boxes
bigger and have then appear fully extended before the hit-boxes on jumping
moves.* But obviously not all, because that would just be too sensible.
So the other option is to dash into the corner (bad), or try to block and
hope the game doesn't decide to make you block both ways on pseudo x-ups
which are somehow worse in this game than SFIV,  In SFIV they usually just
happen in the corner.  In SFV they can happen on in any position.

Here's what I mean:

Karin's jumping mk (hurtbox appears 1f before the hitbox, hurtbox is
bigger)

[image: Inline image 2]

R.Mika's jumping lk (hit and hurtbox appear at the same time; hit-box is
bigger):

[image: Inline image 1]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:40 AM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

let me body you tonight.

ive watched some r mika tutoirals
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behalf of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 23 February 2016 08:37 AM

*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

I bought the game before I played it.  But like I said I'll play this game
because the online is good.

The game is not terrible.  It's just a very mediocre version of previous
titles.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:25 AM, richard moorcroft <
greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Then why did you buy the game?? I am having fun,, but I wish they put my
favorite character in,, my only character

On Feb 23, 2016 10:17 AM, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Not true.  Laura has a CC off her overhead.

This game is sometimes as frustrating to play as it's boring to watch IMO.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:11 AM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

yip indeed, all CC's are normals.

ya CC's are usually slow, u use them as frame traps.

Mainly HK and HP moves have CC properties.
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behalf of Di Lhong <marongdin@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 23 February 2016 07:04 AM

*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

Ah ok. Thanks.

Because i saw people punishing Ryu's dp with crush counter. But i read
that ryu's dp and some other character's move on block still count as
active. Making it crush counter punish. Odd. But i get it now.

So moves with crush counter properties are similar to counter hitting with
other moves. But it just rewards you better.

So could you use crush counter as a wiff punisher for certain normals? or
the active frame is too short for it to "counter"

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:24 AM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

CC adds more properties to a CH. ie: more stun, opponent goes into a
floaty state if CC in air.

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behalf of Di Lhong <marongdin@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 09:49 PM

*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

What's the difference between Crush Counter and Counter hit?

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Not bad for a kuk game :P

On 22 Feb 2016 22:14, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ono must be so proud

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behalf of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 07:03 PM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

SFV has broken the record for most entrants for any game at EVO.

https://twitter.com/evo2k/status/701810057256656897

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twitter.com

“In 4 days, SFV has broken the record for the most entrants at Evo in a
single game! This is going to be a crazy year! #Evo2016”

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 7:12 PM, richard moorcroft <
greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA,, you have no idea how much I laughed when I was
reading this,, CAPCOM doos koppe

On Feb 22, 2016 7:06 PM, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Lol

http://techraptor.net/content/kekraptor-capcom-rewards-fans-fifth-street-fighter-v-beta

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

It's like a bounty on someones head.

On 22 February 2016 at 18:45, richard moorcroft <
greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

What is this??? I don't understand

On Feb 22, 2016 6:17 PM, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

So the Iranian media has re issued the fatwa on Salman Rushdie to
commemorate the first one from the eighties.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore 😤

On Monday, 22 February 2016, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:P

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Did she put up a fight?

*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *sameegh jardine
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 04:15 PM

*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

was it love at first sight?

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:13 PM, richard moorcroft <
greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Interesting,, tell us more

On Feb 22, 2016 4:09 PM, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, it does pay to understand a bit about the footsie game.  On the
surface this game has a very diluted footsie game compared to past
iterations but the concepts remain the same, and you need to exploit this
shift the risk/reward into your favour with Ken.

At the most basic level, there are 3 parts of the footsie game:
Aggressive poking (Rock), Defensive poking (Paper) and Baiting/Punishing
(Scissors).

I pointed this out at the session against GB.  It looks like he's playing
footsies, but all he's really doing is using one aspect (defensive
poking).  In other words, if the opponent didn't move forward, GB's pokes
would never hit.  This is because he is poking at a range where the move
will only connect if the player walks forward.

This gives you 3 options to counter:
- Whiff punish (or V-Skill/Skill into throw/normal as the move recovers)

- Press a higher strength button at the same time (st.hp will cause a
crush counter)

- Walk into that range then jump over the poke (not recommended but will
beat 90% of online players)

Against a competent player, this is where the depth comes from.  They'll
set you up by utilizing one aspect of the footsie game then suddenly change
their rhythm.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Cheers, I’ll check out the vid when I get home.

For the rest, just practice? Well, I can do that.

*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 03:18 PM

*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

Okay, with his TC1 – the b+mp, b+hp, it seems to be a mission to

confirm this puppy. I’ve been reading on SRK and most of the guys there who
were fine with 3rd strike level confirms are okay with it and the rest
are getting screwed.

It's just practice.  You need to be able to confirm off single hits in
this game.  I don't like that it's such a big part of high level play but
that's just how it is.

Anyways, what’s recommended, the st.LP rather than the d.MP?

Do whatever you find is easier.  Chances are if you're losing matches,
it's not because of this combo.

Ken's neutral game at footsie range sucks.  You can play him at a bit
further away, but his strength comes from high risk, high reward
maneuvers.  Like many other characters who don't have strong normals, Ken
can't really control the flow.  So he has to impose his will by making hard
reads and taking risks.  You'll find that you will probably have more
success with dashing in and out of range and then making them guess between
crush counter and throw.  He becomes much scarier with V-Trigger because he
can use it as an FADC if you make a bad read on an unsafe normal or even DP.

I don't agree with everything in this vid (up close virtually every
character can do the dash in cr.mp -> confirm), but it has interesting
ideas about his neutral game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GoJpWMNu6w

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Lol.

Okay, with his TC1 – the b+mp, b+hp, it seems to be a mission to confirm
this puppy. I’ve been reading on SRK and most of the guys there who were
fine with 3rd strike level confirms are okay with it and the rest are
getting screwed.

After something like a cross-up, max damage is d+mp into TC1, then HK
tatsu (if the opponent wasn’t crouching. If they were it sometimes misses,
so go for HP DP).

But what a lot of people (like Momochi) are doing is st.LP into TC1 so
that it’s easier to confirm the combo, and you also have the option for the
grab instead.

Now, I get that at max range the d+MP into TC1 will whiff anyways, so this
is mainly after a really deep jump in or cross up. Anyways, what’s
recommended, the st.LP rather than the d.MP?

Actually I have a boat load of Ken questions, but I suppose most of those
would be answered more easily if I got off my ass and went to a session. My
main issue, since I’ve only really played against Paas is what the hell am
I supposed to use for a neutral game? At most ranges Karen’s normal seem to
stuff me. I’m fine on anti-airing her. I’m getting to terms with some of my
punishment (even if I don’t do it, I know what it is supposed to be), but I
have no idea how to play against her other than simply blocking and
punishing her and letting her control all the flow of the game. That is
actually enough for me to win games, but it seems like a really lousy way
to play someone like Ken.

*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *lindsey kiviets
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 02:34 PM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

I main ken and every other character in sf4,  ask away
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behalf of Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 12:30 PM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* RE: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

Yeah, but is he on the mails?

I’ve got a couple of Ken questions.

*

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*On Behalf Of *richard moorcroft
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 02:25 PM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* RE: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

Yes,, GB is

On Feb 22, 2016 2:23 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Is anyone here playing Ken?

*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *richard moorcroft
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 02:14 PM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

I am done learning,, you will learn

On Feb 22, 2016 2:08 PM, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Rich u gona lern

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behalf of Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 12:03 PM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* RE: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

I thought her d+MP was plus on block. Pressing a button after it doesn’t
seem like a good idea.

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*On Behalf Of *richard moorcroft
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 02:01 PM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

Why block it??? Press button

On Feb 22, 2016 1:56 PM, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

ya, rmika isn't the safest character.

one thing im not liking is the fact that I must block crmp st mp from
Karin. WTF,

slow ass blockstring. please capcom

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behalf of Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 11:54 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

And both are punishable on block.

Mika is only scary in the corner.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:53 PM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

random butt splash works and ex butt splash covers ground

rmika is more like makoto tbh. her mid game is not good but her corner
combos hurt a ton.
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*Sent:* 22 February 2016 11:47 AM

*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

I backdash to avoid it, although I suppose characters with faster
walkspeeds should have success just walking back. I play Nash exclusively
at the moment so I haven't been able to test this. Yes, neutral jumping is
a means of avoiding it as well, although this is also nothing new compared
to previous SFs (people neutral jumping to punish Bison's scissor kicks at
certain ranges, for example).

I use jabs from range to bait certain things. Recovers fast enough for you
to react to jump-ins, dashes or the aforementioned dropkick.

If her only neutral bypassing tool is charged HK and there are ways around
it, there's very little else that she's going to use to close the gap apart
from dashing in or jumping.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

If you position yourself so that it never hits you have to walk backwards
all the time, or you have to neutral jump.  Punishing on reaction is
possible but you have to be looking for it and can't be actively poking
defensively to stop her from getting in that range.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

I played Mike's R. Mika and every time he used the drop kick, I positioned
myself so that he was never in range to land it or I could punish it. It's
not as much of a threat if you know how to deal with it. Seems to be the
case with most things in this game anyway.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:47 PM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

and so?

she dun hav neutral...stuff.

besides she has to charge dat thing so its not like you not seeing it
coming.

Rmike Ross
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behalf of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 22 February 2016 10:18 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

*Subject:* Re: SAFGC - 2016, the fall of the ilitirits

I don't know why you are complaining when you play R.Mika.  She just
ignores neutral with her charged drop-kick and then it's an instant 50-50.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

ugh sali is not right, he jump at me too much.

and then when he play nash he run away.

ima formulate a strat for him though.

Ive had good connections against:

    -    paas

    -    sali

    -    khan

    -    rich

    -    tazz

I cannot connect to SAP for some reason.

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