Yeah I see now, the invinciblity is all over the place. Dammit, I didn't know spd was 2 frames on startup, always thought it was 3. So.. his other command grab is just as fast. No wonder a lot of Cody's frame traps don't work on him. Meh, looks like zoning with Cody vs Gief is the way to go. That and maybe using 1 frame traps if i'm up close. ========================================================================= You are subscribed to the Cape Town Fighting Game Community mailing list. //www.freelists.org/list/cpt-fgc