I cannot accept that some people cannot grasp concepts because you aren't born
knowing all.
you learn as you grow. concepts can be learnt. singularity might have an easier
way to explain complex abstract equations.
because something has been done a certain way and its generally accepted that
this is correct doesn't not mean it is correct.
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Sent: 07 June 2016 01:48 PM
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Subject: Re: Morning
It gets a bit difficult to understand because we are trying to conceptualize
things that are smarter than us. One of the things that sets us apart from
animals is abstract thought. We can generalize and form abstract ideas.
For example, if I teach you how to stack a pile of books, you will intuitively
understand how to stack anything that is stackable (like a pile bricks etc).
Believe it or not, not every thinking organism is capable of doing this.
You can even get a sense of this when you speak to mathematicians. There are
somethings that are just too complex to describe in layman's terms because it
requires a type of abstract thought that most people haven't attained. I can
teach you about shapes, and with some experimentation you can teach yourself to
build things out of these shapes. However, some problems require more abstract
and complex tools than simple shapes.
Here's an example from a renowned Math Professor who claimed to have solved the
ABC conjecture. In order to solve that, he had to invent new mathematics. And
he is literally the only person in the world that understands it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-universal_Teichm%C3%BCller_theory
Inter-universal Teichmüller theory - Wikipedia, the free
...<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-universal_Teichm%C3%BCller_theory>
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In mathematics, inter-universal Teichmüller theory (IUT) is an arithmetic
version of Teichmüller theory for number fields with an elliptic curve,
introduced by ...
To even remotely understand it, you need to learn several hundred pages of new
concepts, and concepts that build on these.
Trying to explain this is like trying to explain colour to a blind person (in
fact, try to explain colour in general).
In this way, you cannot automatically assume you will be able to understand the
nature of a superior intelligence. There "frobenoids" which require years of
study to understand may come as naturally to them as our understanding of
Squares.
Yes, a Frobenoid is a thing.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Its possible the singularity may be able to communicate through other means
when tapping into the brain's hidden powers like telepathy.
there could be a machine it can build to make us understand it or it understand
us.
AI doesn't necessarily have to be an asshole.
why would a baby turn out to be an asshole to its parents?
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of Donaldson, Alasdair
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Sent: 07 June 2016 01:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Morning
Yeah, thinking the same.
Also, what makes you think the IA would even care about explaining itself to us?
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Sent: 07 June 2016 04:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Morning
LMAO. So how did your last conversation with an ant go?
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yes indeed paas.
If we face a superior intelligent entity it should be able to convey it so that
the normal person on the street may even understand it.
superior intelligence doesn't mean asshole.
if it cant explain quantum theory to the layman then it simply isn't superior
or intelligent.
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<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> on behalf
of Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: 07 June 2016 01:24 PM
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Subject: Re: Morning
Unless the AI develop a better understanding of the physics than we can
comprehend with our limited abilities.
We could simply have run into these "limitations" due to our own lacking
intelligence.
Or something like that
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<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
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Subject: RE: Morning
What do you mean ‘not suddenly’? Who knows if ftl drives even exists. So what
if the robot is smarter than us, doesn’t mean it can create stuff beyond what
physics will allow.
Anyways, because the intelligence exists, doesn’t mean that we would
necessarily understand it. If the IA singularity did occur, we would be facing
a superior intelligence. No point in trying to understand what it would do,
based on your assumption of how you may react to humans, if you were smarter
than them.
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Sent: 07 June 2016 04:09 PM
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Subject: Re: Morning
Yes not suddenly
My problem is what if the robot decides, f this? you figure this kuk out?
deactivate ERROR, launch missile codes = gg
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Sent: 07 June 2016 01:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Morning
Okay, so let’s assume that it goes past us in terms of intelligence. That’s not
suddenly going to make it all powerful or able to bend the laws of physics just
because it’s smart.
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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
Sent: 07 June 2016 04:01 PM
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Subject: Re: Morning
robots don't eat they don't sleep
they are made to operate at 100% capacity all day everyday
Humans can operate at 100% at times not all the time.
The point of a singularity is to transcend a human's ability to think, given
that its programmed by humans shouldn't limit it to our abilities. that's not
singularity
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Sent: 07 June 2016 12:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Morning
What makes you think that a robot will do it better?
If the robot is bound by our understanding of physics, then it won’t be able to
conceive of a way that it might break the light constant. It’ll still probably
take a human for those odd leaps.
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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
Sent: 07 June 2016 03:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Morning
we are not programming the robots, singularity means they program themselves.
Will any of you guys be cryogenically frozen?
Oh btw wayward pines season 2.... ugh M Night Shamalaman has lost the plot, I
cant watch the same thing over again.
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<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> on behalf
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Sent: 07 June 2016 12:21 PM
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Subject: Re: Morning
Humans need to understand the quantum a bit better before programing machines
to do it for us.
On Tuesday, 7 June 2016, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I think building a thinking robot will enable us to build other things, since
if it can think then it should be able to process the knowledge to build super
fast transport.
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Sent: 07 June 2016 11:53 AM
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Subject: Re: Morning
Yeah but you have to go with our current understanding of physics. That's
different from technology. Like it's easy to say we can build a thinking
robot. There's nothing in physics that will stop us. But can we build
something that can go faster than the speed of light? Physics says no.
Maaaaaybe we can find a way to reach those areas if we can find a practical way
of bending space, which at this point is still a dream.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/warp.html
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Is Warp Drive Real?<http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/warp.html>
www.nasa.gov<http://www.nasa.gov>
Ever since the sound barrier was broken, people have turned their attention to
how we can break the light speed barrier.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:48 PM, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I accept that the universe is expanding I don't accept that it escapes us and
we will never be able to reach or see those outlying areas.
tsek, technology is expanding at a rapid rate too.
its a race
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of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: 07 June 2016 11:43 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Morning
It's all possible.
So the Universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. The light from the outer
reaches is taking longer and longer to reach us. This is important because
there will come a time where it will be impossible for the light to ever reach
us, which implies we (or whoever is still left behind) can never detect the
existence of these things given our current knowledge of physics. Which means
we will think we are the only civilization in the universe.
Now the question is... what if this already happened?
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
<nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
What if...
We've passed the singularity ages ago, and the super-advanced found a way to
create a new existance, and are now watching us?
On 7 Jun 2016 13:32, "Ilitirit Sama"
<ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I think that Luffy = Gol D. Roger
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:31 PM, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I was more thinking along the lines of HXH, coz gon's dad even he , the most
experienced is nowhere near close to obtaining 1 of the items to finding the
ultimate treasure.
I think one piece is actually a piece of something, tangible thing. That's what
I got from the convo the gang had with 1st Mate Raley
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of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: 07 June 2016 11:22 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Morning
LB will always find a way to bring One Piece into the picture.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:17 PM, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
That is profound man.
Elon musk belives in aliens controlling us.
That's the matrix all over again.
If there is a multiverse then that means time does exist that means singularity
does exist at the same damn time. Elon musk got it wrong, we are not controlled
by aliens but by the robots we created.
#matrixwasrightthere are 3 levels.
take the blue pill, take red pill is the same effect.
Getting to the 3rd level of the matrix is actually the matrix and not where the
architect is. he is a program deisgned in a game of chess to stop neo.
3rd level is the ultimate treasure
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Sent: 07 June 2016 11:07 AM
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Subject: Re: Morning
The argument is sound unless you believe that it's impossible for autonomous,
conscious AIs to exist. Even physics makes room for some version of multiple
realities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality
Quantum suicide and immortality - Wikipedia, the free
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en.wikipedia.org<http://en.wikipedia.org>
In quantum mechanics, quantum suicide is a thought experiment, originally
published independently by Hans Moravec in 1987 and Bruno Marchal in 1988, and
independently ...
Basically what physics says that reality is not deterministic. Things happen
on a probabilistic scale. So improbably things can occur. But the interesting
thing is that all the possible ways something can happen exists at the same
time (it's called a Superposition of states). Like Schroedinger's cat who is
dead and alive at the same time. So the theory is that if many realities
exist, there is at least one reality where you will live forever. Which is
kind of like reloading a quick save just after you die.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I had a friend from high school who believed that as well – that we were stuck
in the Matrix.
He had to spend a bit of time in one of those padded rooms. I suppose he wasn’t
quite as rich as Musk.
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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
Sent: 07 June 2016 01:57 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Morning
BTW, Elon Musk believes we are living in a simulation.
http://gas2.org/2016/06/04/elon-musk-says-just-characters-aliens-video-game/
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