[CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
- From: Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 20:56:45 -0800
Ah ok that's kind of what I thought.
If Tekken worked like that then it would be really hard to learn.
You have lots of moves but at least you only ever really need to learn what
happens on block/hit/CH and sometimes on crouching.
Jeepers Tekken really would be a nightmare if you could manipulate the
frames to that degree.
Thats what I like about SF, the movelists are small but the ways that a
move can be used basically makes it 10 different moves depending on the
situation.
On 11 December 2013 11:43, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Generally, in SF the block/hit stun is the same no matter which one of the
> active frames hit. But, after it connects, the rest of the active frames
> are converted into recovery frames. So a move that hits on the first frame
> causes the same block/hit stun as if it hit on the last active frame.
> However, if it hits on the last frame, there are no more active frames to
> convert into recovery frames, so that gets added to the block/hit advantage.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel
> <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> They exist in a few moves but only by + or - 1 frame.
>> (certain moves being a frame quicker up close)
>> Not even sure about the new Tekken wrt this.
>>
>> Most of the time if a move is blocked the frames will be the same
>> regardless of range.
>> Meaties exist in the game mostly by just spacing a move to make it hit
>> deep or shallow to have different spacing after block.
>> Pretty sure they have a system in place to keep the frames on block the
>> same regardless.
>>
>> In SF how do they occur ? by overlapping active frames with recovery
>> frames ?
>>
>>
>> On 11 December 2013 07:58, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious about how 3D games like Tekken work. Meaties should
>>> theoretically exist (eg. when an opponent runs into an active attack), but
>>> I suspect that Namco might adjust the frame advantage to compensate.
>>> Shouldn't be too hard to test I reckon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> SF is so weird with frames and meaty stuff.
>>>> That does make it interesting though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11 December 2013 06:46, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It actually depends on the move. Capcom programmed some moves to have
>>>>> different frame advantage (and even damage eg. Ryu's close st.hp)
>>>>> depending
>>>>> on which frame they hit.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in general to calculate the max frame advantage of a meaty, you
>>>>> take the base frame advantage, add the active frame you're interested in,
>>>>> then subtract 1)
>>>>>
>>>>> So for Boxer's LP dash straight on block (it's actually +5f, not +6f -
>>>>> I was looking at incorrect frame data):
>>>>> 1st active frame = -1f
>>>>> 2nd = 0f
>>>>> 3rd = +1f
>>>>> 4th = +2f
>>>>> 5th = +3f
>>>>> 6th = +4f
>>>>> 7th = +5f
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect Boxer's overhead may be one of those moves where Capcom
>>>>> decided the frame advantage for active frame individually, because as a
>>>>> late meaty, it should currently give 10 + 21 - 1 = +30f on hit!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Ryan Williams
>>>>> <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a set amount of frames that are added to a meaty attack?
>>>>>> It's not something I've ever researched but I'd be interested to know. I
>>>>>> was just curious as you mentioned that the dash straight would be +6 on
>>>>>> block as a late meaty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PR Rog says Boxer's LP dash straight being -1 on block is too
>>>>>>> strong. I agree with him. As a late meaty, that would make it +6f on
>>>>>>> block. If you consider how it's used at the moment (spaced so that it
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> hits late in the active frames), so characters would be able to do
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> but block/focus afterwards. Even their backdashes can get hit because
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the low pushback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His LP and MP overhead are now safe on block, but you can only use
>>>>>>> it for combo afterwards if they hit very meaty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TAP charges faster and is safe even on level 2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> EX Smash is also safer. He didn't even need that buff lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ultra 1 hits differently and may be changed so that it can be used
>>>>>>> to chip, but they're still considering changing it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm really disappointed they didn't fix his hurt and push boxes. He
>>>>>>> can easily avoid x-up oki now with delayed wake up so now some
>>>>>>> characters
>>>>>>> don't really have pressure options against him. Red Focus doesn't
>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>> him at all (he doesn't have multi-hit attacks that don't break armour).
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>> really doesn't need hitbox anomalies that make it harder to attack him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
>>>>>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just "slowly" moved from the last db to uf.
>>>>>>>> An odd half circle.
>>>>>>>> Guile stepped foreward, then Ultra.
>>>>>>>> On 11 Dec 2013 13:15, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nice nick , what is the notation?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> also when can we put plan BB into place place? I want to poon lumi
>>>>>>>>> and khan at the same time
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:20:43 +0200
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, I managed to get a walk forward ultra with Guile yesterday.
>>>>>>>>> ...aaaaand couldn't do it when I tried to record it :(
>>>>>>>>> On 11 Dec 2013 11:41, "Sean Carrington" <
>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #RESPECT_TO_SMUGDABEST
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Loser's Final : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKx4aut0ufY
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Salty Run back : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKx4aut0ufY.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>>>>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's called Xbox because it's so kak you'll put it back in the box.
>>>>>>>>>
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