[CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
- From: "Donaldson, Alasdair" <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:37:11 +0000
How did Batman not become an anti-hero? He lets a man die. It doesn't even seem
to bother him later. The death of Dent does bother him, but less because it
happened on his watch and more because of what Dent became.
Superman has murdered someone. He's outright broken the guy's neck in a fight.
That's okay though because he feels bad about it. Extreme last resort? I dunno
about that. Supes from the comics is genius level intelligence. He's got all
the knowledge from most of the universe in his head. He's fighting against an
equal in terms of strength and abilities, so because of that, he has to kill
the guy? With all of his (and Zod's) unreal abilities and intellect, the best
that they can do is murder.
The fact that you can view two characters as not being anti-heroes, despite the
fact that they're both outright murderers, is an issue. Neither of them killed
the enemy by accident. Neither of them were in positions of immediate and life
threatening danger. Maybe you can argue that Supes was, but Zod had lost that
fight already.
Maybe you're right, and they'll use this as the turning point for Supes where
he decides that never again will he kill. I just wonder now that they took the
line in the sand for these characters and shifted it, why bother with a line at
all?
From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
Sent: 05 December 2013 11:14 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Its not like they became anti-heroes tho.
Killing was a extreme last resort in supes movie... and it clearly bothered
him immensely. They didnt mention him being averse to killing in the movie
tho... they could even use this as the event that pushed in into the "I shall
not kill" mindset for future movies.
Dunno about the Batman stuff, can easily think of situation that he would be
"forced" to kill but cant remember the movie being that way. Should be way
easier to get bats into that position than superman imo.
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From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:01:52 +0000
That's fine, maybe the concepts of Superman and Batman are outdated.
In the comics, the idea of killing the bad guys is something that they think
about. Batman specifically doesn't kill anyone. After Bain breaks his back,
someone else takes over being Batman. After that guy lets a villain die, Bruce
Wayne freaks out and takes back the mantle of the bat.
Similarly Superman does face retardedly strong enemies, like Zod. The whole
point of Superman is that he is the absolute in terms of virtue. That's why he
leads the Justice League. He's the only out there that doesn't fall from grace.
Sure, having someone that pure is a bit boring for a film, but that's what his
character is.
I find it a bit sad that they've taken the two characters out there in the DC
universe who will never kill for any reason, and have both of them just give up
and become murderers. Batman doesn't kill Ra's al Gul out of self defence. He
lets the guy die. Superman kills Zod because he can't think of a better idea.
Great.. and that's the best that the world is supposed to offer?
Maybe it's just that there are enough anti-heroes out there and heroes with
massive flaws. Was it too much to ask for one that doesn't just give up and
take the easy route?
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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
Sent: 05 December 2013 10:52 AM
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
I think its lazier writing thinking up some campy reason why superman could get
away with not killing.
Against "normal" opponents sure, hes godlike compared to humans so he wont need
to resort to lethal means... but against some of the other DC powerhouses or
another Kryptonian? Fuck off... im not a kid anymore.
Just sounds like some old cheesy leftover of what heroes of old could
accomplish. Beat the baddy, save the girl, everything is always fine. Cheezy
imo.
I just dont think that would work anymore in modern entertainment.
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From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:39:57 +0000
It's lazy writing. Either that or Zack Snyder just wanted to stamp his own feel
on it.
Either way, they got rid of one of the defining characteristics of Superman.
He's supposed to be more than just a vigilante. He's not supposed to be a
killer. There are heroes that walk that line - Wolverine, Cap'n, Punisher and
alike on the Marvel side. On the DC side, Lobo, Wonder Woman, GL. They've all
killed. Bats and Supes are supposed to be different. No excuses.
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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
Sent: 05 December 2013 10:34 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
I still dont see the problem with Supes killing...
Would not have been a paragon of virtue either if he willingly just lets people
die that he could save
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From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 07:11:46 +0000
I'm still pissed off with what DC has done with their films. Although I liked
the idea of a more serious, less cartoony approach to both Batman and Superman,
I seriously dislike the fact that they've both effectively killed enemies in
their films - Batman lets Ra'sal Gul die in Batman begins. Supes takes out Zod.
Great. They've both dedicated themselves to being absolute paragons of virtue
and both first films end with them failing to uphold that.
Green Lantern was a joke.
Anyways... Still have no real idea who they could cast as Wonder Woman. Finding
an actress who looks the part - someone who could take Batman in a fight
without breaking a sweat - is a bit of an issue.
From: Ryan Williams [mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 05 December 2013 8:35 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Donaldson, Alasdair
Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Not Wonder Woman material. There are far better picks.
Ben Affleck as Batman = fail.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/12/04/gal-gadot-cast-as-wonder-woman-in-batman-vs-superman
Not sure if I agree with all the casting choices here. Then again, I'm sure
they know what they're doing.
From: Donaldson, Alasdair
Sent: 05 December 2013 8:08 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Thought about getting Path of Exile. Game looks good. Just don't have the time
to play it though.
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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
Sent: 05 December 2013 7:25 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
morning peeps,
downloaded path of exile off steam last night. game looks good for f2p game.
system similar to torchlight but more of diablo3 style.
kingdoms rise looks good too. create your own knight, looks like a cross
between an mmorpg and dmc.
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 17:55:08 +0200
Subject: [CPT-FGCse ] Re: Hi
From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
...more like a constipated rectum, but yeah, a toilet with a broken cistern
would be similar.
LB just wantsfor BB what I want for MK.
On 4 Dec 2013 17:51, "Stephen Scheidel"
<gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
LB is like a toilet.
Because he is full of shit.
Humor.
On 4 December 2013 07:19, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
get this game man , otherwise you letting everyone know im the best.
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 16:53:29 +0200
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv0Wc6ZNG3c
Original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbOwNfqgF04
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I be there too.
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:56:49 +0200
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I'm working, but I'll be there after
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Ryan Williams
<ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Provided there is a sesh on Saturday, count me in.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
It's the run down to the holiday break, so we've got a load of work to finish
before we shut down.
Also, I spent most of yesterday catching up on random forums and generally
stuffing around, so trying to make up for that now.
Is there a session this Saturday?
From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On
Behalf Of Nicholas Robertson-Muir
Sent: 04 December 2013 2:06 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Workin' like crazy here, looks like I'm not the only one.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
What Steam sale?
It's gone... I missed it...
From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On
Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
Sent: 03 December 2013 12:15 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Any games worth getting during the Steam Sale?
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