yes that is exactly right.
greater good > one person (including myself)
From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:02:23 +0000
True. In that case, you’re not just sacrificing random folk, but your character
as well – for the greater good.
From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
Sent: 22 October 2015 12:00 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
yes but skyrim is the whole world.
dragons are invading.
Im the only one who can stop them
In order to do that I need to do questionable things.
In the end the world will be saved, morality is a small sacrifice in the bigger
scheme of things.
From:
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:55:14 +0000
Only if you look at happiness in terms of utility that everyone has derived
from the decision.
That’s a fine sentiment when you’re talking about entire populations, but not
small groups. It ignores higher level thinking – focusses on the bottom half of
the whole hierarchy of needs.
From:
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On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
Sent: 22 October 2015 11:52 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
if everyone is happy then its a win.
From:
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:49:54 +0000
More like consequentialism.
I’m not a fan of utilitarianism. Economic wellbeing doesn’t equal moral.
From:
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On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
Sent: 22 October 2015 11:47 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
i try not to dwell on it too much.
coz the end justifies the means.
Utilitarianism
From:
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:29:08 +0000
Hmmm. I thought you didn’t worry about the immersion side, so why the
justification?
From:
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On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
Sent: 22 October 2015 11:28 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
i did some bad things in skyrim.
i sacrificed people to get damage. i needed to fight the boss.
its for the greater good that they must die.
From:
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:22:40 +0000
I’m happy with characters that are willing to do morally reprehensible things
for what they view to be a good cause.
From:
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On Behalf Of Nicholas Robertson-Muir
Sent: 22 October 2015 11:18 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Hello
Lol...
My fave characters aren't exactly dabbling with morality issues.
Geese/Billy - A mob boss and his lackey
Thouther/Shin - Conquerers who use force and fear
Cole McGrath - Good Cole sacrifices all the conduits/Bad Cole sacrifices all
non-conduits.
Death in Darksiders - possibly the most goody of the lot.
Myself as "The Boss" in Saints Row - morally reprehensable. Lol.
On 22 Oct 2015 10:49, "Ryan Williams" <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have it on PC.
I have a similar approach to games such as these (role-play) when it comes to
character creation, class selection and decision-making. I generally favour the
"goody two shoes" classes that
are generally not morally neutral, although I'll admit that do enjoy dabbling
with characters that blur the lines of morality; especially characters that
possess slightly more villainous traits. For this reason, playing a thief is
equally enjoyable as playing
a paladin or a mage, but it depends on what I'm going for from a role-playing
perspective. That said, I'm not a fan of playing characters who are outrightly
villainous. For example, I wouldn't enjoy playing a cold-blooded psychopath who
has no regard for human
life and is unaffected by his actions and the resultant consequences they
bring about.
It's interesting that so many people find the thief class enjoyable on those
forums, although it wouldn't surprise me if it has more to do with excelling in
stealth and pickpocketing than being
a psychopathic Robin Hood who steals from the less fortunate rather than the
wealthy ne'er-do-wells.
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yeah, but that’s just the official main story line. You can ignore that if you
want. I know Paas did the mage quest, but ignored most of the rest.
The reason I’m asking this question is that I finally got around to doing the
civil war, vampire and thief storylines. I’ve previously done the mage and
assassin
ones, the main one and dragon born DLC ones.
I was reading up on a number of forums where people were talking about which
are the best quests in terms of the story. Pretty much unanimously people chose
the
thief one. The rest (mage/assassin/warrior) were all varying degrees of ‘not
as good as thief quests’.
I disagreed with the sentiment, but my reasoning seemed off from what most
people’s thinking was. I tend to view games like this as role-play. I prefer to
play
a character that I can identify with, and make decisions that I agree with,
regardless of whether or not those decisions will yield the best game outcome.
For me, that’s the best way to get the whole immersion thing going. I disliked
the thief quest line because
you need to be a real psychopath to like what you land up doing. You’re
stealing from the not-so-rich, to help the politically connected. You land up
framing 2 people for crimes that they didn’t commit. Considering the world of
Skyrim, these people will be
jailed for life or executed. Now, if you’re viewing this as just a game, then
it doesn’t matter. Make the choices that yield the best equipment. I don’t get
that idea though.
Think back to FF7, there is a point towards the end where you get to fight
against the Turks in the sewers of Midgar. At this point in the game, you’ve
had multiple
interactions with them and you’ve got an uneasy working relationship with
them. From the dialogue, it seems like this is a final fight between you two –
one which may well leave them dead. You are given the option of fighting them,
or just walking away. I
chose the latter despite the fact that you could get some sweat armour from
the fight, because that was the choice that sat best with me. Of course, now
knowing the game and how it plays out, you can fight them, take the armour and
still let them walk away
at the end – so the fight choice isn’t as bad as I thought it was.
I found the same situation with Mass Effect 1. I tend to take the choice that I
would make in the game universe, rather than the choice that optimises the
reward.
I was just wondering who else prefers to play the games like this, considering
that the general feeling on Skyrim forums was completely different to my
experience.
From:
cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
Sent: 22 October 2015 10:16 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Hello
Huh?
isn't it about fyting de dragons?
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