so we not killing hitla because we could be in a worse position in the future?
better the devil you know than the devil you don't i guess.
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Sent: 03 May 2018 10:30 AM
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We’ve got 2 sets of issues with the time travel to kill Hitler thing.
1. Messing with the timeline. This is the Zipang thing. Possibly you
change nothing. Not so cheerful case you create a world that is in a worse
condition.
2. Moral decision on who is evil and whether or not killing them can be
justified.
LB is missing both of these.
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Sent: 03 May 2018 12:25 PM
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Any of you okes watched Zipang
Its anime series where a modern day japanese warship gets transported to WW2
Japan.
Even tho its a tiny ship they are extremely OP when compared to old ones and
could single handedly change war and make Japan (Their country) or anybody else
win.
There is an argument in the show regarding this and some think that losing the
war turned japan into a better country.
So killing hitler and preventing WW2 could lead to the same shitheads still
running Japan and causing kak elsewhere because nobody dropped those bombs on
them causing them to change.
etc. etc.
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I'm in no way siding with hitla wtf? If i had my way, i would kill hitler and
see what happens.
I'm making a comparison to what veidt did for the greater good of the entire
planet.
Hitler was concerned for his people alone, that didn't include everyone else.
I don't know who will be making those big decisions, probably someone with the
most power? who cares, as long as it is for the greater good then I'm happy.
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Okay, but what about the sliding scale here? How many people would you be
willing to kill to save a billion people?
Next question – who would you trust with the decision on that question – the
government?
You do realise that you’re arguing that what Hitler did was right? He decided
to committee genocide for the good of the German people. Who gets to decide
what the ‘greater good’ is?
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its the same like what veidt did in watchmen.
you want to kill million people to save a billion. that's the way it should
work. for the greater good.
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"As for the when is it okay to kill someone, that’s a whole happy long
discussion. I dunno on the whole greater good thing. Can you kill 1 person to
save 100? Can you kill 2 people to do the same? Does that work all the way up
to killing 49 to save 51? Does the severity of the person’s crimes dictate the
level of punishment up to and including death? I do understand life
imprisonment.If a person has shown that they lack the capability to abide by
societies rules and are a danger to others, then they should be removed from
society. The current prison system (worldwide) has massive problems though. The
death penalty is not a deterrent and killing an innocent person seems like a
massive failure of society and justice. I dunno what the right answer is on
this side. Smart people who know a lot more about the topic and the facts seem
to not know the answer either."
What compounds this problem even further is that society makes those rules and
those rules are subject to change. How can we ever hope to answer that question
with absolute certainty when the very laws we live by are transmutable?
Factor in morality as a complex conundrum on its own which can't merely be
oversimplified in terms of binary absolutes and you have a real challenge on
your hands. It's an easier thing to not ponder these things than it is to
ponder them.
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I do think that the Holocaust is preventable. While Germany needed a scapegoat
and shared hatred is an easy way to unite people, I don’t think mass murder was
the only option there. There is a pretty cool film called Conspiracy with
Kenneth Branagh (sp?) about the Nazi’s discussion on the final solution.
As for killing everyone involved being the only viable option? I have
absolutely zero idea what it would take to prevent the Holocaust. It could be
one of those things where a simple word in the right ear at the right time
could completely alter the path of history. Or it could be one of those river
of time situations where you are simply dropping pebbles in – causing minor
ripples, but not altering the flow or destination.
My argument there against LB’s assertion was that if you are going the path of
killing the person responsible, you need to make sure that no one else is going
to pick up where they left off. There were a lot of pretty damned evil Nazi
folks around. A large part of why Germany lost WW2 was because Hitler was an
idiot at tactics and didn’t trust his generals. Killing Hitler could be what
causes Germany to win. They had the capability of taking out most of Europe. As
long as they leave Russia alone and don’t get the US involved, things could’ve
turned out very different.
As for the when is it okay to kill someone, that’s a whole happy long
discussion. I dunno on the whole greater good thing. Can you kill 1 person to
save 100? Can you kill 2 people to do the same? Does that work all the way up
to killing 49 to save 51? Does the severity of the person’s crimes dictate the
level of punishment up to and including death? I do understand life
imprisonment. If a person has shown that they lack the capability to abide by
societies rules and are a danger to others, then they should be removed from
society. The current prison system (worldwide) has massive problems though. The
death penalty is not a deterrent and killing an innocent person seems like a
massive failure of society and justice. I dunno what the right answer is on
this side. Smart people who know a lot more about the topic and the facts seem
to not know the answer either.
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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On
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Sent: 03 May 2018 11:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Hello
If it were within your means to travel back in time to prevent the Holocaust,
do you feel that killing everyone involved would be the only viable option, in
your opinion?
I read "The Reader" recently. No time travel involved, but it raises some very
interesting (perhaps even controversial) questions about punishment and
absolution for those involved in the Holocaust.
At what point do we say, it's okay to murder someone? Regardless of the
severity of the crimes said individual has committed, how does your murdering
him/her make you any less of a monster?
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 11:22 AM, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
well you cut off the head of the orginzation then everything should fall.
this isn't hydra.
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Sent: 03 May 2018 09:20 AM
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Subject: RE: Hello
At what point exactly in his life would you murder him?
Also, Hitler didn’t run the holocaust personally. There were a lot of people
involved in it. You gonna kill Eichmann, Mengele, Goebbels, Goring, Himmler,
Hess… and all the others too?
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Subject: Re: Hello
so u saying the first thing you would do as a timetraveler is not murder hitla?
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Sent: 03 May 2018 09:11 AM
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How do you know that?
Anyway, this is pretty interesting:
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2018/may/01/unexpected-beauty-china-bicycle-graveyards-share-bikes-in-pictures<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_cities_gallery_2018_may_01_unexpected-2Dbeauty-2Dchina-2Dbicycle-2Dgraveyards-2Dshare-2Dbikes-2Din-2Dpictures&d=DwMF-g&c=0TzQCy9lgR5hSW-bDg5HA76y7nf4lvOzvVop5GM3Y80&r=3188cCLKqrRVUgvzUimFxNxHH_Hcs83no5DXOBKTq-g&m=8jGNydyrm7cyDLOgKjEinNf6sKrKeSr51uT9IIVPzp8&s=BOrYuRZJWguN_9o5542SNeUwdiIHDUbti7S70Xq3V-I&e=>
The unexpected beauty of China's bicycle graveyards – in
pictures<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_cities_gallery_2018_may_01_unexpected-2Dbeauty-2Dchina-2Dbicycle-2Dgraveyards-2Dshare-2Dbikes-2Din-2Dpictures&d=DwMF-g&c=0TzQCy9lgR5hSW-bDg5HA76y7nf4lvOzvVop5GM3Y80&r=3188cCLKqrRVUgvzUimFxNxHH_Hcs83no5DXOBKTq-g&m=8jGNydyrm7cyDLOgKjEinNf6sKrKeSr51uT9IIVPzp8&s=BOrYuRZJWguN_9o5542SNeUwdiIHDUbti7S70Xq3V-I&e=>
www.theguardian.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.theguardian.com&d=DwQF-g&c=0TzQCy9lgR5hSW-bDg5HA76y7nf4lvOzvVop5GM3Y80&r=3188cCLKqrRVUgvzUimFxNxHH_Hcs83no5DXOBKTq-g&m=8jGNydyrm7cyDLOgKjEinNf6sKrKeSr51uT9IIVPzp8&s=AW4_k75_QNYGmepacvfmxXiRdzxxL1lEWIcozNvKgqs&e=>
For the past 18 months many cities in China have been flooded by millions of
dockless share bikes. Those that block pavements or apartment entrances have
been removed by authorities to vast storage areas. Viewed from afar they create
compelling and mysterious patterns – but also represent waste on an enormous
scale
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 11:09 AM, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
time travel would be cool, but it doesn exist.
if it did, hitla wouldn't exist at all.
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Sent: 03 May 2018 09:01 AM
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Subject: Re: Hello
Eish... doesnt seem that far in.
Cant remember how long it takes them to introduce all of the important
characters before the bigger plot elements start kicking in.
At this point they have barely start experimenting with the Microwave? I
assume you have seen the gel banana.
The start of the show is carried by the characters, I found them all
interesting and entertaining... plus the plot and "mystery" elements early on
was nice as well.
Other cool part is that allot of the show is actually based on reality.
Dunno if you care but if you google John Titor you will find the person who
this whole story is based on. Its a dude from 2000-ish that claimed he was a
timetraveler from the future and that Cern is going to turn into an evil
superpower that leads to WW3 or something etc.
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Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 09:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Hello
half into the 3rd episode
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Sent: 03 May 2018 07:18 AM
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Subject: Re: Hello
How far are you into it?
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Subject: Re: Hello
i don't get it,
but a lotta people say its kwai, so there must be some truth init.
now that i think about it, alotta people said FMA was kwai and i didn't like
that at all.
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Sent: 03 May 2018 07:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Hello
needs moar dr pepper
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Sent: 03 May 2018 9:07 AM
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Subject: Re: Hello
el psy congroo
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ye the old one.
i don't know how you can luv seomthing that doesn't make sense.
looks like this dude is quite insane and out of touch with society, but he is
being enabled by people.
dunno, will watch on, trying hard.
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Sent: 03 May 2018 06:22 AM
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Subject: Re: Hello
You watching the new currently airing Steins gate or the original?
The old one did have a bit of a slow start... I still loved it from ep 1 tho
so dunno
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Subject: Re: Hello
I started steins gate and im struggling to get invloved in this show.
Happy! was kwai, watched the first epi last nyt. Funny show, almost like a
bruce willis type, last boyscout feel.
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of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: 02 May 2018 07:01 PM
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Subject: Re: Hello
How did I miss the new season of The Expanse.
Oh well, nice surprise for me.
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