You're also talking about ending lives on a monumental scale. Who has the
right to make that call? Society? The ruler of a country? Just a second ago
you spoke of killing Hitler using time travel, but you approve of killing a
million people to save a billion?
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:07 PM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
its the same like what veidt did in watchmen.
you want to kill million people to save a billion. that's the way it
should work. for the greater good.
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 10:05 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
"As for the when is it okay to kill someone, that’s a whole happy long
discussion. I dunno on the whole greater good thing. Can you kill 1 person
to save 100? Can you kill 2 people to do the same? Does that work all the
way up to killing 49 to save 51? Does the severity of the person’s crimes
dictate the level of punishment up to and including death? I do understand
life imprisonment.If a person has shown that they lack the capability to
abide by societies rules and are a danger to others, then they should be
removed from society. The current prison system (worldwide) has massive
problems though. The death penalty is not a deterrent and killing an
innocent person seems like a massive failure of society and justice. I
dunno what the right answer is on this side. Smart people who know a lot
more about the topic and the facts seem to not know the answer either."
What compounds this problem even further is that society makes those rules
and those rules are subject to change. How can we ever hope to answer that
question with absolute certainty when the very laws we live by are
transmutable?
Factor in morality as a complex conundrum on its own which can't merely be
oversimplified in terms of binary absolutes and you have a real challenge
on your hands. It's an easier thing to not ponder these things than it is
to ponder them.
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I do think that the Holocaust is preventable. While Germany needed a
scapegoat and shared hatred is an easy way to unite people, I don’t think
mass murder was the only option there. There is a pretty cool film called
Conspiracy with Kenneth Branagh (sp?) about the Nazi’s discussion on the
final solution.
As for killing everyone involved being the only viable option? I have
absolutely zero idea what it would take to prevent the Holocaust. It could
be one of those things where a simple word in the right ear at the right
time could completely alter the path of history. Or it could be one of
those river of time situations where you are simply dropping pebbles in –
causing minor ripples, but not altering the flow or destination.
My argument there against LB’s assertion was that if you are going the
path of killing the person responsible, you need to make sure that no one
else is going to pick up where they left off. There were a lot of pretty
damned evil Nazi folks around. A large part of why Germany lost WW2 was
because Hitler was an idiot at tactics and didn’t trust his generals.
Killing Hitler could be what causes Germany to win. They had the capability
of taking out most of Europe. As long as they leave Russia alone and don’t
get the US involved, things could’ve turned out very different.
As for the when is it okay to kill someone, that’s a whole happy long
discussion. I dunno on the whole greater good thing. Can you kill 1 person
to save 100? Can you kill 2 people to do the same? Does that work all the
way up to killing 49 to save 51? Does the severity of the person’s crimes
dictate the level of punishment up to and including death? I do understand
life imprisonment. If a person has shown that they lack the capability to
abide by societies rules and are a danger to others, then they should be
removed from society. The current prison system (worldwide) has massive
problems though. The death penalty is not a deterrent and killing an
innocent person seems like a massive failure of society and justice. I
dunno what the right answer is on this side. Smart people who know a lot
more about the topic and the facts seem to not know the answer either.
*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *Ryan Williams
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 11:38 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
If it were within your means to travel back in time to prevent the
Holocaust, do you feel that killing everyone involved would be the only
viable option, in your opinion?
I read "The Reader" recently. No time travel involved, but it raises some
very interesting (perhaps even controversial) questions about punishment
and absolution for those involved in the Holocaust.
At what point do we say, it's okay to murder someone? Regardless of the
severity of the crimes said individual has committed, how does your
murdering him/her make you any less of a monster?
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 11:22 AM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
well you cut off the head of the orginzation then everything should fall.
this isn't hydra.
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 09:20 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* RE: Hello
At what point exactly in his life would you murder him?
Also, Hitler didn’t run the holocaust personally. There were a lot of
people involved in it. You gonna kill Eichmann, Mengele, Goebbels, Goring,
Himmler, Hess… and all the others too?
*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *lindsey kiviets
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 11:17 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
so u saying the first thing you would do as a timetraveler is not murder
hitla?
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 09:11 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
How do you know that?
Anyway, this is pretty interesting:
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2018/may/01/unexp
ected-beauty-china-bicycle-graveyards-share-bikes-in-pictures
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_cities_gallery_2018_may_01_unexpected-2Dbeauty-2Dchina-2Dbicycle-2Dgraveyards-2Dshare-2Dbikes-2Din-2Dpictures&d=DwMF-g&c=0TzQCy9lgR5hSW-bDg5HA76y7nf4lvOzvVop5GM3Y80&r=3188cCLKqrRVUgvzUimFxNxHH_Hcs83no5DXOBKTq-g&m=8jGNydyrm7cyDLOgKjEinNf6sKrKeSr51uT9IIVPzp8&s=BOrYuRZJWguN_9o5542SNeUwdiIHDUbti7S70Xq3V-I&e=>
The unexpected beauty of China's bicycle graveyards – in pictures
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_cities_gallery_2018_may_01_unexpected-2Dbeauty-2Dchina-2Dbicycle-2Dgraveyards-2Dshare-2Dbikes-2Din-2Dpictures&d=DwMF-g&c=0TzQCy9lgR5hSW-bDg5HA76y7nf4lvOzvVop5GM3Y80&r=3188cCLKqrRVUgvzUimFxNxHH_Hcs83no5DXOBKTq-g&m=8jGNydyrm7cyDLOgKjEinNf6sKrKeSr51uT9IIVPzp8&s=BOrYuRZJWguN_9o5542SNeUwdiIHDUbti7S70Xq3V-I&e=>
www.theguardian.com
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.theguardian.com&d=DwQF-g&c=0TzQCy9lgR5hSW-bDg5HA76y7nf4lvOzvVop5GM3Y80&r=3188cCLKqrRVUgvzUimFxNxHH_Hcs83no5DXOBKTq-g&m=8jGNydyrm7cyDLOgKjEinNf6sKrKeSr51uT9IIVPzp8&s=AW4_k75_QNYGmepacvfmxXiRdzxxL1lEWIcozNvKgqs&e=>
For the past 18 months many cities in China have been flooded by millions
of dockless share bikes. Those that block pavements or apartment entrances
have been removed by authorities to vast storage areas. Viewed from afar
they create compelling and mysterious patterns – but also represent waste
on an enormous scale
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 11:09 AM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
time travel would be cool, but it doesn exist.
if it did, hitla wouldn't exist at all.
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 09:01 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
Eish... doesnt seem that far in.
Cant remember how long it takes them to introduce all of the important
characters before the bigger plot elements start kicking in.
At this point they have barely start experimenting with the Microwave? I
assume you have seen the gel banana.
The start of the show is carried by the characters, I found them all
interesting and entertaining... plus the plot and "mystery" elements early
on was nice as well.
Other cool part is that allot of the show is actually based on reality.
Dunno if you care but if you google John Titor you will find the person
who this whole story is based on. Its a dude from 2000-ish that claimed he
was a timetraveler from the future and that Cern is going to turn into an
evil superpower that leads to WW3 or something etc.
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 3, 2018 09:19 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
half into the 3rd episode
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 07:18 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
How far are you into it?
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 3, 2018 09:17 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
i don't get it,
but a lotta people say its kwai, so there must be some truth init.
now that i think about it, alotta people said FMA was kwai and i didn't
like that at all.
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 07:11 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* RE: Hello
needs moar dr pepper
*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 9:07 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
el psy congroo
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 3, 2018 08:27 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
ye the old one.
i don't know how you can luv seomthing that doesn't make sense.
looks like this dude is quite insane and out of touch with society, but he
is being enabled by people.
dunno, will watch on, trying hard.
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 03 May 2018 06:22 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
You watching the new currently airing Steins gate or the original?
The old one did have a bit of a slow start... I still loved it from ep 1
tho so dunno
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 3, 2018 06:01 AM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
I started steins gate and im struggling to get invloved in this show.
Happy! was kwai, watched the first epi last nyt. Funny show, almost like a
bruce willis type, last boyscout feel.
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*From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 02 May 2018 07:01 PM
*To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: Hello
How did I miss the new season of The Expanse.
Oh well, nice surprise for me.
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