Nice. Yes nick, bring it with on Saturday. On 25 Feb 2015 11:16 PM, "Nicholas Robertson-Muir" <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On the note of looking for a portable drive to record the matches on. > Khan, I have an empty 60gig external. > Should we use it? > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >> > John Smit and Elon Musk went to my high school >> >> Stu confirmed to be 104 years old. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair < >> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> John Smit and Elon Musk went to my high school. Oh Mark Fish too. >>> Oscar Pistorius too, but that was after my time. >>> Not that I actually knew any of them. >>> >>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Nicholas Robertson-Muir<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: 2015-02-25 22:19 >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> I've met Jack Parow, and Alan Winde, ... oh and Natalie du Toit. >>> >>> in fact, I've made their spectacles. >>> >>> Toks Van Der Linde too. >>> >>> That's about as famous as I get. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair < >>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> >>> wrote: >>> Don’t you know who I am? >>> >>> Lol. Don’t think I’ve met any SA celebrities, not that I’d know. >>> You need someone like LB who is up to date with 7de Laan and that sort >>> of thing. >>> >>> >>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] >>> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama >>> Sent: 25 February 2015 7:13 PM >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> I don't watch TV or listen to the radio. >>> It's funny when I meet people who supposed to be celebs. Some of them >>> act as if I'm *supposed* to know who they are. Thankfully they're in the >>> minority though, at least in my experience. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> I find most of what plays on the radio to be rather generic these days. >>> I'm not sure of the exact number but I think there's a certain minimum >>> percentage of music that has to be local per hour or day, the rest is >>> probably mostly from the states as you say. >>> >>> I mostly hang around Soundcloud these days. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Stephen Scheidel < >>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> How much of the music on our major radio stations is from the states ? >>> Seems like they have the monopoly. >>> >>> >>> On 25 February 2015 at 18:15, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> Jams. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UTusl9Wz9M >>> >>> On 25 February 2015 at 17:59, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto: >>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> Nic plz. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir < >>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> Alvin, Simon, Theodor? >>> >>> Goof Troop ftw >>> Lmao >>> On 25 Feb 2015 10:31, "Donaldson, Alasdair" < >>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> >>> wrote: >>> On this mailing list, in no particular order you have: >>> Di, Paas, Me, Steve, Lumi, Sap, Manase, ‘Shraf and from time to time, >>> Nick and Kahn. All of us play Tekken. >>> >>> Missing here, but easily contactable, you have Vic, Barry, Lance and PK. >>> Mario is around completely randomly. I haven’t seen the guy in ages. >>> >>> Not too far afield you have the Worcester players. I forget their names. >>> Alvin, Simon, Theodor? >>> >>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] >>> On Behalf Of richard moorcroft >>> Sent: 25 February 2015 10:24 AM >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> >>> Well yea,, Mario kazama?? >>> On Feb 25, 2015 10:20 AM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" < >>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> >>> wrote: >>> Uh, you mean other than all of us? >>> >>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] >>> On Behalf Of richard moorcroft >>> Sent: 25 February 2015 10:19 AM >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> >>> Are there any casual TEKKEN players you know of in cape town??? >>> On Feb 25, 2015 10:16 AM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" < >>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> >>> wrote: >>> Pakistan. >>> Uh, I’m not sure if he’s still around. Lars player. Pretty good, but Di >>> is better. >>> >>> Yeah, 2 of the SA Tekken gods that LB has posted there aren’t actually >>> South African. >>> >>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] >>> On Behalf Of richard moorcroft >>> Sent: 25 February 2015 10:12 AM >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> >>> Blood mist?? Where does the man stay?? >>> On Feb 25, 2015 10:06 AM, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> the 4 SA gods in tekken r, in no particular order. >>> >>> Bloodmist >>> TG >>> HS >>> DI >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 00:04:05 -0800 >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> From: greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> Hoooo,, I must play the SA GODS OF TEKKEN,, I reallyyyyy want too >>> On Feb 25, 2015 9:47 AM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" < >>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, I wonder. Last time TG was supposed to make it to help Colin set >>> up the TTT2. If he does come, then at least there will be proper >>> competition there. Since DP doesn’t seem to be organising tournaments up >>> here anymore, this is probably the only place I’ll get to play the guy. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don’t know if you are aware of all the fun and games we’ve had with >>> the MSSA, Rich. In theory all the provinces have tournaments. In reality >>> all of them except the Western Cape have tournaments. >>> >>> >>> >>> They don’t seem to get up to a lot, but they did send Vic overseas and >>> Dot’s girlfriend has travelled quite a bit as the SA female Tekken champ. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] >>> On Behalf Of richard moorcroft >>> Sent: 25 February 2015 8:50 AM >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> >>> Sounds fun., hope you destroy them all >>> >>> On Feb 25, 2015 8:45 AM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" < >>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> About an hour’s drive from where I am now – Klerksdorp. >>> >>> >>> >>> I wouldn’t be arsed with making a separate trip for this kinda stuff, >>> but if it’s happening here, maybe I can go along and spend the time >>> stuffing around with my machine and their screen. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] >>> On Behalf Of richard moorcroft >>> Sent: 25 February 2015 8:41 AM >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> >>> Where is this thing?? >>> >>> On Feb 25, 2015 8:40 AM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" < >>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Lol, I’m still on the MSSA mailing list from way back when. I see that >>> the North West champs are happening in next Saturday. Maybe I’ll take a >>> drive over there and see what’s going on. >>> >>> I have serious doubts about the level of competition, which means I >>> could compete in the SF section as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> While I don’t actually care about this stuff all that much, this seems >>> like an opportunity to actually play a game. That’s been sorely lacking in >>> my life for the past month. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] >>> On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets >>> Sent: 25 February 2015 7:56 AM >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> >>> >>> you not allowed to possess shares anywhere in the world? >>> >>> wtf? >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx >>> > >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 05:52:01 +0000 >>> >>> Depends on how much you earn. >>> >>> The more money you make, the more tax you pay and it is getting worse. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are other countries with higher tax rates than ours, but they >>> usually provide more stuff, like free education. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of richard moorcroft >>> Sent: 25 February 2015 7:49 AM >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> >>> >>> How bad is this???? >>> >>> On Feb 25, 2015 7:39 AM, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> because of some huge loan by Eskom, the government has to acquire the >>> money from somewhere. >>> >>> Our manager believes from a loketest it was gathered that: >>> VAT might be increased to 15% with more basic foodstuffs being zero >>> rated to not negatively influence the poor. (nerf and a buff) >>> >>> Capital gains tax will be increased to 50% no longer 33%. - Huge nerf to >>> the 1% >>> >>> Also add another level of taxation above 40% for the 1%, speculation is >>> , it will increase to 45%. - huge nerf to the rich as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx >>> > >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 05:30:44 +0000 >>> >>> I miss Trevor Manual’s speeches. They were cool. Interesting speech, >>> nice anecdotes, some jokes and end it all with no increase in PAYE. >>> >>> Pretty sure we’re gonna get screwed on the tax this year. >>> >>> >>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] >>> On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets >>> Sent: 25 February 2015 7:29 AM >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail >>> >>> >>> >>> budget speech today, word on the street... everyone is gna get >>> f!@$<mailto:f!@$>!@. >>> >>> Prepare your aaahnus >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:04:44 +0200 >>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail >>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> I think the environmental factor only occurs at end of a round. Which is >>> good. Injustice's stage change is a bit much... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> *lmao* >>> >>> On 24 Feb 2015 20:44, "Sean Carrington" <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> NASH BERNSTEIN ! #GENOCIDECUTTER ! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Stephen Scheidel < >>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> Is that trailer for real ? >>> Looks like injusticeXstreetfighter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 24 February 2015 at 20:26, richard moorcroft < >>> greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> Bison needs to die,, he is very ugly,, I MEAN REALLY UGLY >>> >>> On Feb 24, 2015 8:24 PM, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> okay so bison is still alive then. >>> >>> so the story, its still before strike but after sf4? >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 20:10:12 +0200 >>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail >>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JT-IvFkUhA&feature=youtu.be >>> >>> >>> >>> frankenstein nash for SF5? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto: >>> geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> Lolz >>> >>> btw Katarina. She's too funny. Saw a match where King was doing all >>> these set up throws and combo. Only to be beaten by a noob Katarina >>> literally spamming 1 button. Uf+4444444444444444444444 ftw >>> >>> >>> >>> Her magic 4 combo is 44444444444444444444444444 does more damage than >>> fancy shit combos for other characters. >>> >>> >>> >>> Lee is dead. Welcome Katarina! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Stephen Scheidel < >>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> I should also mention that my folks never divorced and I was not beaten >>> as a child. >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 24, 2015, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> Table view represent. >>> >>> Last I heard the kids were mixing their pre work out roids with brandy >>> and coke. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 24, 2015, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> You should check out the last few minutes of the pilot stream of 18 >>> minutes [just before Manase comes up]. >>> >>> >>> >>> The LB and Chad special when they see themselves on stream for the first >>> time :P >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir < >>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> Listening to the start of the stream and hearing GB shout in frustration >>> made me laff. >>> >>> On 24 Feb 2015 16:28, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto: >>> ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> And from our "Not-The-Onion" department: >>> >>> >>> >>> People don’t take hurricanes as seriously if they have a feminine name >>> and the consequences are deadly, finds a new groundbreaking study. >>> Female-named storms have historically killed more because people neither >>> consider them as risky nor take the same precautions, the study published >>> in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences concludes. >>> >>> >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/06/02/female-named-hurricanes-kill-more-than-male-because-people-dont-respect-them-study-finds >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> Regarding our Power Rangers discussion on Saturday: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://vimeo.com/120401488 >>> >>> >>> >>> Oh and apparently it was the Red Ranger who killed his room mate with a >>> sword. 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