Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:14:35 +0200

I have 2 seasons of
Monkey Magic!!!
I also have the track as a BGM on TTT2 :D

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dude you missed out on classics:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_OcYSS8qHs
>
>
> DBZ before DBZ:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbE36IBTZY
>
>
> Sorry Stu and everyone without YT.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  Me neither.
>>
>> Didn’t understand enough Afrikaans. Same with Brakenjan. Watched some
>> stuff that was simulcast.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *richard moorcroft
>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 4:21 PM
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> Really?? I never watched the show
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2015 4:06 PM, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Dawie doesnt die. He turns into an oaktree.
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:34:03 +0200
>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Firstly I would like to thank you guys for using the correct move name
>> for raisins.
>>
>> Secondly I have to say that I SS hopkick delayed raisins like a fucking
>> champion.
>>
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> On Thursday, February 19, 2015, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> "Ek is Daaaaawie, die KABBBBOUUUTTTER!!" Damn, the feels *lmao*
>>
>> On 19 Feb 2015 15:24, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Oh shit!  I didn't realise Dawie die Kabouter dies in the end.
>>
>>
>>
>> Come on, sing along everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> DAWIE DIE KABOUTER AFRIKAANS INTRO LIED
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iymgR6fbzDI>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Paul has great punishment.
>>
>> Im sure something will hit.
>>
>>
>> You guys created your own Lei myth about his stances not being punishable
>> lol.
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:01:25 +0000
>>
>>
>>
>> Are these all the cases where you’re badly negative, but totally
>> unpunishable?
>>
>> Sorry, but I still don’t care that you don’t get continuous rush down.
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:54 PM
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> Its great but that also kinda points out the problem.
>>
>> To get into Tiger(4th razor hit) you need razor CH or do delay
>> shenanigans.  Would have been nice to be on enough plus to force the
>> opponent to block the incoming mixup instead getting to bait retaliation.
>>
>> Tiger is not really a problem tho since its the most usefull stance imo.
>> It actually has answers for whatever the opponent does.
>> Snake can mostly handle itself as well.
>>
>> Panther and Dragon needs some help on their transitions.
>>
>>
>> This is all talking about transitions on HIT.
>>
>> On blocked razor into Tiger lei is at -14.
>> Other stance transitions from razor on block are all worse than -10 on
>> block as well.
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:38:57 +0200
>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> I saw a few Lei player then to go into Tiger after razor rush on hit and
>> then hold back so you dash out of their range of their dick punch or their
>> retaliation. That's where TGR 4 launches them. It's a weird set up but it
>> works for those who are bad under pressure of razor rush and just think
>> dick punch solves everything.
>>
>> Not sure if it'll work the same on block though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On block I dont mind.
>>
>> They just need to buff the frames on hit.
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:13:03 +0200
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> I know they nerfed his razor rush a few times.
>>
>> It use to razor rush on block into stance and guess.
>>
>> Now razor rush on block into stance...dick punch/generic d+4 stops all.
>> Lei's turn to guess...Unless his stances have hopkick...razor rush is not
>> as strong as it used to be in old times. Also the razor rush sidestep into
>> stances used to cover much more distance. I remember i could almost go into
>> opponent's back if they do something linear or dick punch.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  It wasn’t just his combo damage was it?
>> I might be wrong, but didn’t they buff his damage for other moves? I’m
>> thinking very specifically of raisin rush on CH.
>>
>> I think you just need to get off your lazy ass and learn how to do Lei’s
>> punishment game properly.
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:04 PM
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem is once he loses his damage(Im fairly sure hes not going to
>> keep it) he going to be below average again unless his actual moves are
>> improved.
>>
>> Trackings/Frames or otherwise
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:52:15 +0000
>>
>> Paul’s d+1 doesn’t track all that well. Generally you are forced to use
>> it because it’s his only fast-ish mid. He doesn’t have a generic df+1. You
>> have df+2 at 15f, but that’s punishable.
>> Meh, as Steve said, we’ve had these discussions before and they go round
>> and round. Paul doesn’t need better tracking. He’s got his good punishment,
>> nice wall game and good mid range moves. What he lacks is tracking or any
>> sort of plus on block/ rush down game. If they give those to him, well then
>> he jumps a bit in the tier list. Would I like those added? Sure. Is it a
>> major issue not having them? Not really.
>>
>> Lei doesn’t need trackers. He has enough other tools. Are they good
>> enough to make him top tier? Hell no. Is he still playable? Sure.
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:44 PM
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>> Paul's d+1 tracks really well. He also have a generic db+4.
>>
>> Sure it's not as damaging as some homing move. But they're pokes that is
>> fast and stops your opponent from walking around freely. And on hit, it
>> puts you back to "your" game. Instead of defending and waiting to land a
>> b+2 homing.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  what does paul get off his Tracker on hit/CH?
>>
>> I think Lei's is 1f slower(24f) with absolutely zero reward because he is
>> forced to taunt.
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:35:24 +0000
>>
>>
>>
>> Sure, while you’re at it, why not give Paul a tracker that’s under 25f as
>> well.
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:33 PM
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> Or make 1+2 track.
>>
>> Its high so can be ducked and stuff
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:27:31 +0200
>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Without ff+3...Lei has df+3 which is bad...especially on hit XD
>>
>> If they just make ff+3 a homing move, i wouldn't mind that. It's the fact
>> it's not and we keep thinking we can step it...
>>
>> If they make Lei like Brad Wong. I'm quitting. That drunken BS is too
>> fluid with no space for interruption between stance transition.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Dude ff+3 has stupid tracking.
>>
>> Lei will track fine without it doing both sides track.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 February 2015 at 13:21, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Lei's options getting stepped is already his a major weakness he has.
>>
>> He cant punish stepping properly and his trackers are ass.
>>
>> Its not even like ff+3 tracks properly either(And im fairly sure its only
>> to one side).  Cant decide to ff+3 because I think the opponent is going to
>> step.
>>
>> Lei is no better gameplay wise than he was in T6.  His damage boost is
>> the only reason hes considered High in TTT2.
>>
>> Nerfing his tracking is the very last thing Lei needs.
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:14:29 +0200
>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> I would just make ff+3 a bit more linear ~ able to walk it to one side or
>> something.
>>
>> Most of the tier list I've seen for TTT2 put him quite high.
>>
>>
>>
>> ...............There is nothing new we could discuss about Lei, we always
>> bitch about him.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 February 2015 at 11:45, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Spam raisin rush. You don’t need anything else.
>>
>> I wonder what they’ve done about Lei’s combo damage. Just that isn’t
>> enough to help a character. Hwo always has high combo damage, but lacks the
>> other tools to make him top tier. Lei, however, also has good punishment
>> and average pokes.
>>
>> Got to say that I don’t think Lei is a particularly low character. I’d
>> put him happily mid – probably below Paul though.
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:38 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> lol
>>
>> They could...  but then hes going to need major buffs in order to compete.
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:12 +0200
>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Remove ff+3.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  His "poking" and non gimmicky stance game is not great.  If you remove
>> the shenanigans hes a below average character.
>>
>> So if they remove half his moves.  Ie less gimmicks he needs stronger
>> tools to play a more normal game.
>>
>>
>> He got a big damage buff in TTT2 but they didnt fix any of the core
>> problems with his moves sadly.
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:30 +0000
>>
>>
>>
>> Lei needs buffs? LOL!
>> Good one Paas. I need that.
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:12 AM
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> They could pretty much dump half of Lei's movelist but then they would
>> have to buff the rest of his stuff.
>>
>> Currently he has boatload of very situational moves combined with some
>> that are just straight up bad.
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:02:06 +0200
>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Lei and Capo lolz They need to remove some of their stuff and update them
>> properly.
>>
>> Zafina might have a large move list. But all her moves are decent and
>> useful.
>>
>> I wouldn't mind if they do a total revamp like they did for SC5. Maybe
>> the series needs it. But keep some of the original cast and strong point of
>> Tekken.
>>
>> Lucky Chloe moves are basically Capo Light. The same but doesn't
>> knockdown lolz. She have a slippery kick that doesn't knock down and looks
>> punishable as hell. On hit doesn't stagger or give much frames either T_T
>>
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