Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:56:58 +0200

Sies.
That shit will put a young G off peas for lyfe.

On 19 February 2015 at 16:53, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> You sure it wasn't Poddington Peas?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB3K7eFFXHE
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> I hate you.
>>
>> On 19 February 2015 at 16:47, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>  I think it’s Naruto.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
>>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 4:42 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dawie's origimal name is David.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone remember that cartoon with the green mice in the theater ?
>>>
>>> May have been french.
>>>
>>> Can't think of the name and google aint helping.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 February 2015 at 16:22, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Me neither.
>>>
>>> Didn’t understand enough Afrikaans. Same with Brakenjan. Watched some
>>> stuff that was simulcast.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *richard moorcroft
>>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 4:21 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Really?? I never watched the show
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2015 4:06 PM, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Dawie doesnt die. He turns into an oaktree.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:34:03 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Firstly I would like to thank you guys for using the correct move name
>>> for raisins.
>>>
>>> Secondly I have to say that I SS hopkick delayed raisins like a fucking
>>> champion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 19, 2015, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ek is Daaaaawie, die KABBBBOUUUTTTER!!" Damn, the feels *lmao*
>>>
>>> On 19 Feb 2015 15:24, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Oh shit!  I didn't realise Dawie die Kabouter dies in the end.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Come on, sing along everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DAWIE DIE KABOUTER AFRIKAANS INTRO LIED
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iymgR6fbzDI>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Paul has great punishment.
>>>
>>> Im sure something will hit.
>>>
>>>
>>> You guys created your own Lei myth about his stances not being
>>> punishable lol.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:01:25 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are these all the cases where you’re badly negative, but totally
>>> unpunishable?
>>>
>>> Sorry, but I still don’t care that you don’t get continuous rush down.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:54 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Its great but that also kinda points out the problem.
>>>
>>> To get into Tiger(4th razor hit) you need razor CH or do delay
>>> shenanigans.  Would have been nice to be on enough plus to force the
>>> opponent to block the incoming mixup instead getting to bait retaliation.
>>>
>>> Tiger is not really a problem tho since its the most usefull stance
>>> imo.  It actually has answers for whatever the opponent does.
>>> Snake can mostly handle itself as well.
>>>
>>> Panther and Dragon needs some help on their transitions.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is all talking about transitions on HIT.
>>>
>>> On blocked razor into Tiger lei is at -14.
>>> Other stance transitions from razor on block are all worse than -10 on
>>> block as well.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:38:57 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> I saw a few Lei player then to go into Tiger after razor rush on hit and
>>> then hold back so you dash out of their range of their dick punch or their
>>> retaliation. That's where TGR 4 launches them. It's a weird set up but it
>>> works for those who are bad under pressure of razor rush and just think
>>> dick punch solves everything.
>>>
>>> Not sure if it'll work the same on block though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On block I dont mind.
>>>
>>> They just need to buff the frames on hit.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:13:03 +0200
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> I know they nerfed his razor rush a few times.
>>>
>>> It use to razor rush on block into stance and guess.
>>>
>>> Now razor rush on block into stance...dick punch/generic d+4 stops all.
>>> Lei's turn to guess...Unless his stances have hopkick...razor rush is not
>>> as strong as it used to be in old times. Also the razor rush sidestep into
>>> stances used to cover much more distance. I remember i could almost go into
>>> opponent's back if they do something linear or dick punch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  It wasn’t just his combo damage was it?
>>> I might be wrong, but didn’t they buff his damage for other moves? I’m
>>> thinking very specifically of raisin rush on CH.
>>>
>>> I think you just need to get off your lazy ass and learn how to do Lei’s
>>> punishment game properly.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:04 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem is once he loses his damage(Im fairly sure hes not going to
>>> keep it) he going to be below average again unless his actual moves are
>>> improved.
>>>
>>> Trackings/Frames or otherwise
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:52:15 +0000
>>>
>>> Paul’s d+1 doesn’t track all that well. Generally you are forced to use
>>> it because it’s his only fast-ish mid. He doesn’t have a generic df+1. You
>>> have df+2 at 15f, but that’s punishable.
>>> Meh, as Steve said, we’ve had these discussions before and they go round
>>> and round. Paul doesn’t need better tracking. He’s got his good punishment,
>>> nice wall game and good mid range moves. What he lacks is tracking or any
>>> sort of plus on block/ rush down game. If they give those to him, well then
>>> he jumps a bit in the tier list. Would I like those added? Sure. Is it a
>>> major issue not having them? Not really.
>>>
>>> Lei doesn’t need trackers. He has enough other tools. Are they good
>>> enough to make him top tier? Hell no. Is he still playable? Sure.
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:44 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul's d+1 tracks really well. He also have a generic db+4.
>>>
>>> Sure it's not as damaging as some homing move. But they're pokes that is
>>> fast and stops your opponent from walking around freely. And on hit, it
>>> puts you back to "your" game. Instead of defending and waiting to land a
>>> b+2 homing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  what does paul get off his Tracker on hit/CH?
>>>
>>> I think Lei's is 1f slower(24f) with absolutely zero reward because he
>>> is forced to taunt.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:35:24 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, while you’re at it, why not give Paul a tracker that’s under 25f
>>> as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:33 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or make 1+2 track.
>>>
>>> Its high so can be ducked and stuff
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:27:31 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Without ff+3...Lei has df+3 which is bad...especially on hit XD
>>>
>>> If they just make ff+3 a homing move, i wouldn't mind that. It's the
>>> fact it's not and we keep thinking we can step it...
>>>
>>> If they make Lei like Brad Wong. I'm quitting. That drunken BS is too
>>> fluid with no space for interruption between stance transition.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Dude ff+3 has stupid tracking.
>>>
>>> Lei will track fine without it doing both sides track.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 February 2015 at 13:21, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Lei's options getting stepped is already his a major weakness he has.
>>>
>>> He cant punish stepping properly and his trackers are ass.
>>>
>>> Its not even like ff+3 tracks properly either(And im fairly sure its
>>> only to one side).  Cant decide to ff+3 because I think the opponent is
>>> going to step.
>>>
>>> Lei is no better gameplay wise than he was in T6.  His damage boost is
>>> the only reason hes considered High in TTT2.
>>>
>>> Nerfing his tracking is the very last thing Lei needs.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:14:29 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would just make ff+3 a bit more linear ~ able to walk it to one side
>>> or something.
>>>
>>> Most of the tier list I've seen for TTT2 put him quite high.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...............There is nothing new we could discuss about Lei, we
>>> always bitch about him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 February 2015 at 11:45, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Spam raisin rush. You don’t need anything else.
>>>
>>> I wonder what they’ve done about Lei’s combo damage. Just that isn’t
>>> enough to help a character. Hwo always has high combo damage, but lacks the
>>> other tools to make him top tier. Lei, however, also has good punishment
>>> and average pokes.
>>>
>>> Got to say that I don’t think Lei is a particularly low character. I’d
>>> put him happily mid – probably below Paul though.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:38 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> They could...  but then hes going to need major buffs in order to
>>> compete.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:12 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Remove ff+3.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  His "poking" and non gimmicky stance game is not great.  If you remove
>>> the shenanigans hes a below average character.
>>>
>>> So if they remove half his moves.  Ie less gimmicks he needs stronger
>>> tools to play a more normal game.
>>>
>>>
>>> He got a big damage buff in TTT2 but they didnt fix any of the core
>>> problems with his moves sadly.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:30 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lei needs buffs? LOL!
>>> Good one Paas. I need that.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:12 AM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They could pretty much dump half of Lei's movelist but then they would
>>> have to buff the rest of his stuff.
>>>
>>> Currently he has boatload of very situational moves combined with some
>>> that are just straight up bad.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:02:06 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Lei and Capo lolz They need to remove some of their stuff and update
>>> them properly.
>>>
>>> Zafina might have a large move list. But all her moves are decent and
>>> useful.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't mind if they do a total revamp like they did for SC5. Maybe
>>> the series needs it. But keep some of the original cast and strong point of
>>> Tekken.
>>>
>>> Lucky Chloe moves are basically Capo Light. The same but doesn't
>>> knockdown lolz. She have a slippery kick that doesn't knock down and looks
>>> punishable as hell. On hit doesn't stagger or give much frames either T_T
>>>
>>>
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