RE: DRE: CTS community mail

From: "Donaldson, Alasdair" <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:55:16 +0000
For the nature of monkey was iiiiiiiiiiiirrepressible.


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Behalf Of Stephen Scheidel
Sent: 19 February 2015 4:54 PM
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Tropmpie and all of the boksombende can get bent.

I got all the Monkey magic from Vic or Manase ages ago.

On 19 February 2015 at 16:51, Ilitirit Sama 
<ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Dude you missed out on classics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_OcYSS8qHs


DBZ before DBZ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbE36IBTZY


Sorry Stu and everyone without YT.


On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Me neither.
Didn’t understand enough Afrikaans. Same with Brakenjan. Watched some stuff 
that was simulcast.

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Really?? I never watched the show
On Feb 19, 2015 4:06 PM, "lindsey kiviets" 
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Dawie doesnt die. He turns into an oaktree.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:34:03 +0200
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From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Firstly I would like to thank you guys for using the correct move name for 
raisins.
Secondly I have to say that I SS hopkick delayed raisins like a fucking 
champion.

:)

On Thursday, February 19, 2015, Ryan Williams 
<ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

"Ek is Daaaaawie, die KABBBBOUUUTTTER!!" Damn, the feels *lmao*
On 19 Feb 2015 15:24, "Ilitirit Sama" 
<ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Oh shit!  I didn't realise Dawie die Kabouter dies in the end.

Come on, sing along everyone!

DAWIE DIE KABOUTER AFRIKAANS INTRO 
LIED<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iymgR6fbzDI>



On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Wynand-Ben 
<paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Paul has great punishment.

Im sure something will hit.


You guys created your own Lei myth about his stances not being punishable lol.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:01:25 +0000

Are these all the cases where you’re badly negative, but totally unpunishable?

Sorry, but I still don’t care that you don’t get continuous rush down.

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Its great but that also kinda points out the problem.

To get into Tiger(4th razor hit) you need razor CH or do delay shenanigans.  
Would have been nice to be on enough plus to force the opponent to block the 
incoming mixup instead getting to bait retaliation.

Tiger is not really a problem tho since its the most usefull stance imo.  It 
actually has answers for whatever the opponent does.
Snake can mostly handle itself as well.

Panther and Dragon needs some help on their transitions.


This is all talking about transitions on HIT.

On blocked razor into Tiger lei is at -14.
Other stance transitions from razor on block are all worse than -10 on block as 
well.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:38:57 +0200
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From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I saw a few Lei player then to go into Tiger after razor rush on hit and then 
hold back so you dash out of their range of their dick punch or their 
retaliation. That's where TGR 4 launches them. It's a weird set up but it works 
for those who are bad under pressure of razor rush and just think dick punch 
solves everything.
Not sure if it'll work the same on block though.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Wynand-Ben 
<paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
On block I dont mind.

They just need to buff the frames on hit.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:13:03 +0200

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From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I know they nerfed his razor rush a few times.
It use to razor rush on block into stance and guess.
Now razor rush on block into stance...dick punch/generic d+4 stops all. Lei's 
turn to guess...Unless his stances have hopkick...razor rush is not as strong 
as it used to be in old times. Also the razor rush sidestep into stances used 
to cover much more distance. I remember i could almost go into opponent's back 
if they do something linear or dick punch.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
It wasn’t just his combo damage was it?
I might be wrong, but didn’t they buff his damage for other moves? I’m thinking 
very specifically of raisin rush on CH.

I think you just need to get off your lazy ass and learn how to do Lei’s 
punishment game properly.

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Sent: 19 February 2015 2:04 PM
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The problem is once he loses his damage(Im fairly sure hes not going to keep 
it) he going to be below average again unless his actual moves are improved.

Trackings/Frames or otherwise
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Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:52:15 +0000
Paul’s d+1 doesn’t track all that well. Generally you are forced to use it 
because it’s his only fast-ish mid. He doesn’t have a generic df+1. You have 
df+2 at 15f, but that’s punishable.
Meh, as Steve said, we’ve had these discussions before and they go round and 
round. Paul doesn’t need better tracking. He’s got his good punishment, nice 
wall game and good mid range moves. What he lacks is tracking or any sort of 
plus on block/ rush down game. If they give those to him, well then he jumps a 
bit in the tier list. Would I like those added? Sure. Is it a major issue not 
having them? Not really.

Lei doesn’t need trackers. He has enough other tools. Are they good enough to 
make him top tier? Hell no. Is he still playable? Sure.

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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Di Lhong
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Paul's d+1 tracks really well. He also have a generic db+4.
Sure it's not as damaging as some homing move. But they're pokes that is fast 
and stops your opponent from walking around freely. And on hit, it puts you 
back to "your" game. Instead of defending and waiting to land a b+2 homing.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Wynand-Ben 
<paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
what does paul get off his Tracker on hit/CH?

I think Lei's is 1f slower(24f) with absolutely zero reward because he is 
forced to taunt.
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Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:35:24 +0000

Sure, while you’re at it, why not give Paul a tracker that’s under 25f as well.

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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
Sent: 19 February 2015 1:33 PM
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Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail

Or make 1+2 track.

Its high so can be ducked and stuff
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:27:31 +0200
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From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
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Without ff+3...Lei has df+3 which is bad...especially on hit XD
If they just make ff+3 a homing move, i wouldn't mind that. It's the fact it's 
not and we keep thinking we can step it...
If they make Lei like Brad Wong. I'm quitting. That drunken BS is too fluid 
with no space for interruption between stance transition.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel 
<gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Dude ff+3 has stupid tracking.
Lei will track fine without it doing both sides track.


On 19 February 2015 at 13:21, Wynand-Ben 
<paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Lei's options getting stepped is already his a major weakness he has.

He cant punish stepping properly and his trackers are ass.

Its not even like ff+3 tracks properly either(And im fairly sure its only to 
one side).  Cant decide to ff+3 because I think the opponent is going to step.

Lei is no better gameplay wise than he was in T6.  His damage boost is the only 
reason hes considered High in TTT2.

Nerfing his tracking is the very last thing Lei needs.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:14:29 +0200
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From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

I would just make ff+3 a bit more linear ~ able to walk it to one side or 
something.
Most of the tier list I've seen for TTT2 put him quite high.

...............There is nothing new we could discuss about Lei, we always bitch 
about him.

On 19 February 2015 at 11:45, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Spam raisin rush. You don’t need anything else.

I wonder what they’ve done about Lei’s combo damage. Just that isn’t enough to 
help a character. Hwo always has high combo damage, but lacks the other tools 
to make him top tier. Lei, however, also has good punishment and average pokes.

Got to say that I don’t think Lei is a particularly low character. I’d put him 
happily mid – probably below Paul though.

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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
Sent: 19 February 2015 11:38 AM

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lol

They could...  but then hes going to need major buffs in order to compete.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:12 +0200
Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Remove ff+3.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Wynand-Ben 
<paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
His "poking" and non gimmicky stance game is not great.  If you remove the 
shenanigans hes a below average character.

So if they remove half his moves.  Ie less gimmicks he needs stronger tools to 
play a more normal game.


He got a big damage buff in TTT2 but they didnt fix any of the core problems 
with his moves sadly.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:30 +0000

Lei needs buffs? LOL!
Good one Paas. I need that.

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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
Sent: 19 February 2015 11:12 AM
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Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail

They could pretty much dump half of Lei's movelist but then they would have to 
buff the rest of his stuff.

Currently he has boatload of very situational moves combined with some that are 
just straight up bad.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:02:06 +0200
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From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Lei and Capo lolz They need to remove some of their stuff and update them 
properly.
Zafina might have a large move list. But all her moves are decent and useful.
I wouldn't mind if they do a total revamp like they did for SC5. Maybe the 
series needs it. But keep some of the original cast and strong point of Tekken.
Lucky Chloe moves are basically Capo Light. The same but doesn't knockdown 
lolz. She have a slippery kick that doesn't knock down and looks punishable as 
hell. On hit doesn't stagger or give much frames either T_T

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