Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:51:41 +0200

Dude you missed out on classics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_OcYSS8qHs


DBZ before DBZ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbE36IBTZY


Sorry Stu and everyone without YT.


On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Me neither.
>
> Didn’t understand enough Afrikaans. Same with Brakenjan. Watched some
> stuff that was simulcast.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *richard moorcroft
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 4:21 PM
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Really?? I never watched the show
>
> On Feb 19, 2015 4:06 PM, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Dawie doesnt die. He turns into an oaktree.
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:34:03 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Firstly I would like to thank you guys for using the correct move name for
> raisins.
>
> Secondly I have to say that I SS hopkick delayed raisins like a fucking
> champion.
>
>
>
> :)
>
> On Thursday, February 19, 2015, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> "Ek is Daaaaawie, die KABBBBOUUUTTTER!!" Damn, the feels *lmao*
>
> On 19 Feb 2015 15:24, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Oh shit!  I didn't realise Dawie die Kabouter dies in the end.
>
>
>
> Come on, sing along everyone!
>
>
>
> DAWIE DIE KABOUTER AFRIKAANS INTRO LIED
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iymgR6fbzDI>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Paul has great punishment.
>
> Im sure something will hit.
>
>
> You guys created your own Lei myth about his stances not being punishable
> lol.
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>
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:01:25 +0000
>
>
>
> Are these all the cases where you’re badly negative, but totally
> unpunishable?
>
> Sorry, but I still don’t care that you don’t get continuous rush down.
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:54 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Its great but that also kinda points out the problem.
>
> To get into Tiger(4th razor hit) you need razor CH or do delay
> shenanigans.  Would have been nice to be on enough plus to force the
> opponent to block the incoming mixup instead getting to bait retaliation.
>
> Tiger is not really a problem tho since its the most usefull stance imo.
> It actually has answers for whatever the opponent does.
> Snake can mostly handle itself as well.
>
> Panther and Dragon needs some help on their transitions.
>
>
> This is all talking about transitions on HIT.
>
> On blocked razor into Tiger lei is at -14.
> Other stance transitions from razor on block are all worse than -10 on
> block as well.
>
>   ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:38:57 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> I saw a few Lei player then to go into Tiger after razor rush on hit and
> then hold back so you dash out of their range of their dick punch or their
> retaliation. That's where TGR 4 launches them. It's a weird set up but it
> works for those who are bad under pressure of razor rush and just think
> dick punch solves everything.
>
> Not sure if it'll work the same on block though.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  On block I dont mind.
>
> They just need to buff the frames on hit.
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:13:03 +0200
>
>
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> I know they nerfed his razor rush a few times.
>
> It use to razor rush on block into stance and guess.
>
> Now razor rush on block into stance...dick punch/generic d+4 stops all.
> Lei's turn to guess...Unless his stances have hopkick...razor rush is not
> as strong as it used to be in old times. Also the razor rush sidestep into
> stances used to cover much more distance. I remember i could almost go into
> opponent's back if they do something linear or dick punch.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  It wasn’t just his combo damage was it?
> I might be wrong, but didn’t they buff his damage for other moves? I’m
> thinking very specifically of raisin rush on CH.
>
> I think you just need to get off your lazy ass and learn how to do Lei’s
> punishment game properly.
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:04 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> The problem is once he loses his damage(Im fairly sure hes not going to
> keep it) he going to be below average again unless his actual moves are
> improved.
>
> Trackings/Frames or otherwise
>  ------------------------------
>
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:52:15 +0000
>
> Paul’s d+1 doesn’t track all that well. Generally you are forced to use it
> because it’s his only fast-ish mid. He doesn’t have a generic df+1. You
> have df+2 at 15f, but that’s punishable.
> Meh, as Steve said, we’ve had these discussions before and they go round
> and round. Paul doesn’t need better tracking. He’s got his good punishment,
> nice wall game and good mid range moves. What he lacks is tracking or any
> sort of plus on block/ rush down game. If they give those to him, well then
> he jumps a bit in the tier list. Would I like those added? Sure. Is it a
> major issue not having them? Not really.
>
> Lei doesn’t need trackers. He has enough other tools. Are they good enough
> to make him top tier? Hell no. Is he still playable? Sure.
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:44 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
> Paul's d+1 tracks really well. He also have a generic db+4.
>
> Sure it's not as damaging as some homing move. But they're pokes that is
> fast and stops your opponent from walking around freely. And on hit, it
> puts you back to "your" game. Instead of defending and waiting to land a
> b+2 homing.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  what does paul get off his Tracker on hit/CH?
>
> I think Lei's is 1f slower(24f) with absolutely zero reward because he is
> forced to taunt.
>  ------------------------------
>
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:35:24 +0000
>
>
>
> Sure, while you’re at it, why not give Paul a tracker that’s under 25f as
> well.
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:33 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Or make 1+2 track.
>
> Its high so can be ducked and stuff
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:27:31 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Without ff+3...Lei has df+3 which is bad...especially on hit XD
>
> If they just make ff+3 a homing move, i wouldn't mind that. It's the fact
> it's not and we keep thinking we can step it...
>
> If they make Lei like Brad Wong. I'm quitting. That drunken BS is too
> fluid with no space for interruption between stance transition.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Dude ff+3 has stupid tracking.
>
> Lei will track fine without it doing both sides track.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 19 February 2015 at 13:21, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Lei's options getting stepped is already his a major weakness he has.
>
> He cant punish stepping properly and his trackers are ass.
>
> Its not even like ff+3 tracks properly either(And im fairly sure its only
> to one side).  Cant decide to ff+3 because I think the opponent is going to
> step.
>
> Lei is no better gameplay wise than he was in T6.  His damage boost is the
> only reason hes considered High in TTT2.
>
> Nerfing his tracking is the very last thing Lei needs.
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:14:29 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> I would just make ff+3 a bit more linear ~ able to walk it to one side or
> something.
>
> Most of the tier list I've seen for TTT2 put him quite high.
>
>
>
> ...............There is nothing new we could discuss about Lei, we always
> bitch about him.
>
>
>
> On 19 February 2015 at 11:45, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Spam raisin rush. You don’t need anything else.
>
> I wonder what they’ve done about Lei’s combo damage. Just that isn’t
> enough to help a character. Hwo always has high combo damage, but lacks the
> other tools to make him top tier. Lei, however, also has good punishment
> and average pokes.
>
> Got to say that I don’t think Lei is a particularly low character. I’d put
> him happily mid – probably below Paul though.
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:38 AM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
>
>
> lol
>
> They could...  but then hes going to need major buffs in order to compete.
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>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:12 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Remove ff+3.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  His "poking" and non gimmicky stance game is not great.  If you remove
> the shenanigans hes a below average character.
>
> So if they remove half his moves.  Ie less gimmicks he needs stronger
> tools to play a more normal game.
>
>
> He got a big damage buff in TTT2 but they didnt fix any of the core
> problems with his moves sadly.
>  ------------------------------
>
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:30 +0000
>
>
>
> Lei needs buffs? LOL!
> Good one Paas. I need that.
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:12 AM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> They could pretty much dump half of Lei's movelist but then they would
> have to buff the rest of his stuff.
>
> Currently he has boatload of very situational moves combined with some
> that are just straight up bad.
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:02:06 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Lei and Capo lolz They need to remove some of their stuff and update them
> properly.
>
> Zafina might have a large move list. But all her moves are decent and
> useful.
>
> I wouldn't mind if they do a total revamp like they did for SC5. Maybe the
> series needs it. But keep some of the original cast and strong point of
> Tekken.
>
> Lucky Chloe moves are basically Capo Light. The same but doesn't knockdown
> lolz. She have a slippery kick that doesn't knock down and looks punishable
> as hell. On hit doesn't stagger or give much frames either T_T
>
>
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