Capo's b+1,4,3+4 is 70dmg on CH and it's 14frames + hitconfirmable-ish. Not including the combo afterwards XD On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > They did but it I cant remember what it used to be. I think it was about > 45dmg for the whole CH string. > > Its nice but again not something he needed buffed. Extra frames for > transitions on HIT would have been nice. > Im not even sure if 45 is particularly high a CH string compared to other > chars... razors arent the fastest things either. > > ------------------------------ > From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:08:46 +0000 > > > It wasn’t just his combo damage was it? > > I might be wrong, but didn’t they buff his damage for other moves? I’m > thinking very specifically of raisin rush on CH. > > > > I think you just need to get off your lazy ass and learn how to do Lei’s > punishment game properly. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben > *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:04 PM > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > The problem is once he loses his damage(Im fairly sure hes not going to > keep it) he going to be below average again unless his actual moves are > improved. > > Trackings/Frames or otherwise > ------------------------------ > > From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:52:15 +0000 > > Paul’s d+1 doesn’t track all that well. Generally you are forced to use it > because it’s his only fast-ish mid. He doesn’t have a generic df+1. You > have df+2 at 15f, but that’s punishable. > > Meh, as Steve said, we’ve had these discussions before and they go round > and round. Paul doesn’t need better tracking. He’s got his good punishment, > nice wall game and good mid range moves. What he lacks is tracking or any > sort of plus on block/ rush down game. If they give those to him, well then > he jumps a bit in the tier list. Would I like those added? Sure. Is it a > major issue not having them? Not really. > > > > Lei doesn’t need trackers. He has enough other tools. Are they good enough > to make him top tier? Hell no. Is he still playable? Sure. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong > *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:44 PM > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > Paul's d+1 tracks really well. He also have a generic db+4. > > Sure it's not as damaging as some homing move. But they're pokes that is > fast and stops your opponent from walking around freely. And on hit, it > puts you back to "your" game. Instead of defending and waiting to land a > b+2 homing. > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > what does paul get off his Tracker on hit/CH? > > I think Lei's is 1f slower(24f) with absolutely zero reward because he is > forced to taunt. > ------------------------------ > > From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:35:24 +0000 > > > > Sure, while you’re at it, why not give Paul a tracker that’s under 25f as > well. > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben > *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:33 PM > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > Or make 1+2 track. > > Its high so can be ducked and stuff > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:27:31 +0200 > Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail > From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Without ff+3...Lei has df+3 which is bad...especially on hit XD > > If they just make ff+3 a homing move, i wouldn't mind that. It's the fact > it's not and we keep thinking we can step it... > > If they make Lei like Brad Wong. I'm quitting. That drunken BS is too > fluid with no space for interruption between stance transition. > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Dude ff+3 has stupid tracking. > > Lei will track fine without it doing both sides track. > > > > > > On 19 February 2015 at 13:21, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Lei's options getting stepped is already his a major weakness he has. > > He cant punish stepping properly and his trackers are ass. > > Its not even like ff+3 tracks properly either(And im fairly sure its only > to one side). Cant decide to ff+3 because I think the opponent is going to > step. > > Lei is no better gameplay wise than he was in T6. His damage boost is the > only reason hes considered High in TTT2. > > Nerfing his tracking is the very last thing Lei needs. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:14:29 +0200 > Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail > From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > I would just make ff+3 a bit more linear ~ able to walk it to one side or > something. > > Most of the tier list I've seen for TTT2 put him quite high. > > > > ...............There is nothing new we could discuss about Lei, we always > bitch about him. > > > > On 19 February 2015 at 11:45, Donaldson, Alasdair < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Spam raisin rush. You don’t need anything else. > > I wonder what they’ve done about Lei’s combo damage. Just that isn’t > enough to help a character. Hwo always has high combo damage, but lacks the > other tools to make him top tier. Lei, however, also has good punishment > and average pokes. > > Got to say that I don’t think Lei is a particularly low character. I’d put > him happily mid – probably below Paul though. > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben > *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:38 AM > > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > > > lol > > They could... but then hes going to need major buffs in order to compete. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:12 +0200 > Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail > From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Remove ff+3. > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > His "poking" and non gimmicky stance game is not great. If you remove > the shenanigans hes a below average character. > > So if they remove half his moves. Ie less gimmicks he needs stronger > tools to play a more normal game. > > > He got a big damage buff in TTT2 but they didnt fix any of the core > problems with his moves sadly. > ------------------------------ > > From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:30 +0000 > > > > Lei needs buffs? LOL! > Good one Paas. I need that. > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben > *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:12 AM > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > They could pretty much dump half of Lei's movelist but then they would > have to buff the rest of his stuff. > > Currently he has boatload of very situational moves combined with some > that are just straight up bad. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:02:06 +0200 > Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail > From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Lei and Capo lolz They need to remove some of their stuff and update them > properly. > > Zafina might have a large move list. But all her moves are decent and > useful. > > I wouldn't mind if they do a total revamp like they did for SC5. Maybe the > series needs it. 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