RE: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: "Donaldson, Alasdair" <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:55:03 +0000

I can’t figure out if they’re dumbing things down, or just changing them. I’m a 
little worried because I know I will get the game and I hope it isn’t ass.

I do agree with you though on the changes. It’s like Google linking to youtube, 
or any changes to Facebook. People complain very loudly, then do nothing and 
accept them.

From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Ryan Williams
Sent: 18 February 2015 2:51 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail


I see both sides of the coin in this debate, but l'm kinda indifferent about 
how throws are being altered, purely because Namco have intentionally dumbed 
things down since T6. It's what l've come to expect from them. That's why l 
just laughed about it when l read it.
My 2cents; people will accept the change and move on. Harada doesn't give a 
fuck about public opinion anyway.
On 18 Feb 2015 14:39, "Donaldson, Alasdair" 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

Top players can see the arms? Even in TTT2? Okay, then how the hell do they get 
thrown in Tekken? I’ve watched a crap load of Tekken Crash and I see top 
players getting thrown all over the place. If a top player can see the arms, 
then there is no difference to them between having a single throw break button 
or not. They will always know which one to hit.



Yes, Tekken runs at a slower pace than 2d fighters. That doesn’t make it easier 
to react to some of the slower moves. An EWGF is 13f. That is slower than a 
normal 12f grab. Can you duck an electric on reaction?



I’m just wondering why this is such an issue. A lot of the time I hit the right 
button to break the grab, but the timing is off. I’m not anything like a top 
player, but I’m better than the average noob. They’re making a change to the 
game that will affect the top 10% of players. And those are the players who can 
see the arms anyway. You don’t think people will adapt to this?



‘When did they change throws i will need to use?’ No idea. I don’t follow what 
the capos do. I just know that they’ve changed Paul, King and Nina’s base 
throws through the Tekken games.



From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of Di Lhong
Sent: 18 February 2015 2:28 PM

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Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail



First of all, top player CAN see which arm the throw is. You're basing a game 
system on a personal experience? Just because one can't do something...doesn't 
mean everyone else just got lucky when they do it.



If you know the throw is coming, the majority will duck and ws punish that. Top 
players don't make throws obvious. If it's obvious, you will eat a ws 
punish...which is worst than throw breaks.



Tekken run at a slower speed than most fighting games. Throws in tekken are at 
12frames and 15frames. SF and GG is at what? So mashing a button to throw break 
in 2d games works fine because the whole game system revolve in that speed. 
Tekken? no.



It won't make the game suck. But it does effect players who does use a lot of 
the normal throws. Ofcourse it's good news to players who can't break throw and 
doesn't throw. But as for the person doing the throws? not so good.



Some characters have shitty punishment. Throws is part of their punishing game. 
Capos for example can't do decent punish until 14frames. So their 12frame 
punishment is actually a throw.



"Anyways, that aside, sure some throws give better oki than others. So what? 
They’ve changed the throws you will need to use. They change throw animations 
from one Tekken to the next. For a large part of the cast, there are enough 
non-standard throws that you can mix it up with them. For the rest, well, do 
you really want each character to have the exact same tools?"



When did they change throws i will need to use? They've kept the same throw 
animation from T5...some changed a bit yes but not all. And some 1+2 throws are 
very obvious compare to others with giant swings, rodeo and that. ff+1+2 throws 
are one of the easiest to break. Even i can break it (that says a 
lot)...because of the ff motion. I didn't say each of the character should have 
the same exact tools. Dumbing down throws to simply mashing 1 is what makes 
each characters having the same tools.



Again, you're basing throw break mechanic on yourself and Paas...who are way 
too kind to barely throw...



It won't completely make the game suck but it does make it less top play 
competitive. I wouldn't mind if they make the throw break window smaller with 
this change...but no, they made it even bigger...



When you play against many different players at arcades. You'll be exposed to 
many type of players and gameplay. Some people utilize throws a lot in their 
gameplay (like me, i'm the throw king in bkk lolz).



On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

I seriously don’t see the problem. Firstly, which other games really require 
three different options for breaking, based on a lucky guess? You already knew 
the throw was coming and you hit the button within the window to break it. Oh, 
you didn’t see the hands? Better luck next time. I can’t see the hands. It’s 
not a question of training. I’ve tried to see and if I concentrate solely on 
watching the throw animations, I can see it, but my eye sight isn’t good enough 
for doing it on the fly. I doubt many people’s is. That means is comes down to 
a pure guess.



Maybe they’ll just reduce the break window for all throws. TTT2 throw breaking 
is not easy.



Anyways, that aside, sure some throws give better oki than others. So what? 
They’ve changed the throws you will need to use. They change throw animations 
from one Tekken to the next. For a large part of the cast, there are enough 
non-standard throws that you can mix it up with them. For the rest, well, do 
you really want each character to have the exact same tools?



I don’t see this as any real game changing thing at all. Maybe I’m biased by 
the characters that I play and I have to play against.

Paul, King, Nina – I don’t use normal throws with any of them. Paas plays Jack 
and Lei. Jack has qcf+1, qcb+2, TS, and others. Mostly Paas doesn’t use throws 
unless he’s in stances or they’re in strange situations where I usually don’t 
break not because I didn’t see the hands, but because I didn’t see the throw 
coming.



Let’s say that I’m completely wrong and this is a major game changer because 
people won’t be spamming throws as much. How is that a terrible thing? It’s a 
change, that’s all. As you say though, ‘it's going to make the game suck ‘. I 
didn’t realise that throw breaking was one guiding light stopping Tekken from 
sucking.



From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On 
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Sent: 18 February 2015 1:55 PM


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I use A LOT of normal throws. Some character's normal throws are part of their 
game since it puts them on decent oki wake ups.



Me not breaking throws has nothing to do with making throws easier to break. 
I'm not complaining about me not breaking throws...i'm complaining the fact 
they made 1+3 and 2+4 throws completely useless. 1+3 2+4 throws plays a big 
part in top level. You sidestep and throw and try to block the throw animation 
with your movement and position. Making it even harder to see what throws you 
did. Now? fuck, useless...1+2 throws are used in different situation. They are 
usually used for their small throw break window.



On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

And that from the guy who can’t break throws. Will this actually make any 
difference? Who uses normal throws?

The only time I get a normal 1+3/2+4 throw with Paul is by accident. Most 
characters have special throws with 1,2 and 1+2 breaks, so what’s the issue?

I do use the normal throws with King, but I suppose I shouldn’t.



From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of Di Lhong
Sent: 18 February 2015 12:08 PM


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Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail



http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2015/2/17/tekken-7-all-13-and-24-throws-can-be-broken-with-either-1-or.html



I hope this isn't true...otherwise, it's going to make the game suck.



On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Di Lhong 
<geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

Lili's hair looks nice :)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoAeIOXYRHw



On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Di Lhong 
<geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw-EYlDoeA4



Oh shit! Dragunov Sweep = Full combo now :D



On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:55 AM, lindsey kiviets 
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

lol u not ryt


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From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:53:53 +0000



Why not? What are they going to do, sue some random FGC in CT? If they do send 
a cease and desist letter, it will be good publicity.



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