Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:01:16 +0200

"If we screw up this planet beyond repair, we can move to another and
terraform it. There are other planets around. It doesn’t matter that Mars
is in the wrong orbit. We can melt the core and create a new ozone there"

Problem solved.
Lets talk bout gams

On 16 February 2015 at 16:59, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> I hope you get the stigma.
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 16:56, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  Yes. I played it all the way through and watched the last scene after
>> the credits. Looked to me like the planet had survived there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:52 PM
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> "This is where I have an issue. Most resources on the planet are just as
>> vast as we think. Why not use up all the oil until it is gone? It’s not
>> like it serves a good purpose in nature. Once it’s gone, we’ll move onto
>> something else, or find a truly sustainable solution. What other resources
>> aren’t as vast?"
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you not played FF7 you barbarian.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:49, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  As humans our population grows. Yes, we use more resources, but we’re
>> not like other animals, we’re able to reengineer the environment. We can
>> choose to plant a tree for every one that we cut down.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ah, there’s the major point – “*some resources are not as vast and
>> infinite as we think*”.
>>
>> This is where I have an issue. Most resources on the planet are just as
>> vast as we think. Why not use up all the oil until it is gone? It’s not
>> like it serves a good purpose in nature. Once it’s gone, we’ll move onto
>> something else, or find a truly sustainable solution. What other resources
>> aren’t as vast?
>>
>>
>>
>> The tequila diamond thing has been around for a few years now. After the
>> huge agate plant scare, they cut back on the idea. Now that the plants are
>> coming back, looks like it’s on the books again.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:35 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> You have a point but the whole we improve our techniques only apply to
>> some countries only. Some countries aren't improving and not sure if they
>> ever will...
>>
>>
>>
>> How does "The idea of ‘less is better’ for the environment is one of
>> those great ideas that sounds right and feels right and has zero basis in
>> logic"???
>>
>>
>>
>> Using less resources would be better for the environment logically...it
>> encourage us to find different ways to replace natural resources. Recently
>> they found a way to make diamond out of tequilla and glass (something like
>> that) this would replace mining for diamonds. Which means we won't need to
>> dig up whole areas for diamonds anymore. Which could be put to better use.
>> Since mining destroys ecosystems.
>>
>>
>>
>> The issue i have is that some resources are not as vast and infinite as
>> we think. Some resources are irreplaceable and we're still abusing it. Oil
>> for example.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical techniques
>> have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus population. I
>> remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people that they should
>> take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the country some money.
>> He was joking, but only a little.
>>
>>
>>
>> The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world (which
>> there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea of ‘less is
>> better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that sounds right
>> and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for that is that
>> humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for nature. We adapt. We
>> improve our use of resources.
>>
>>
>>
>> If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of
>> commodities would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques and
>> the use of resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. That’s
>> the kinds of creature we are.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> Not every country improved their farming techniques though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce in
>> food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are living
>> longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old mouth
>> to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more farmlands,
>> fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming techniques,
>> genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc.
>>
>> There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years ago.
>>
>>
>>
>> China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food. Japan
>> hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US produces a
>> massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people with cash, but
>> not food, people will go back to farming.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> In a government and population dynamics, it varies.
>>
>>
>>
>> But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since we
>> need more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply our
>> needs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is being
>> produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming because they
>> want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the media
>> promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is plummeting. Not
>> everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air conditioned rooms
>> and work 9-5.
>>
>>
>>
>> Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to switch to
>> insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on multiplying
>> and everything will be fine.
>>
>> Come on Stu.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in the
>> middle of all of this though.
>>
>>
>>
>> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the
>> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with
>> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in
>> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply wanting
>> even more?
>>
>>
>>
>> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing in
>> half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my point is
>> that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how much
>> they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate how much
>> the really need :P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  What?
>>
>> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>>
>> Less people ~ less things needed.
>>
>> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever.
>>
>> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
>> multiply like crazy.
>>
>> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can have"
>> thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most people
>> would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>>
>> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
>> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
>> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>>
>> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's fine
>> because everyone receiving is also paying.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource
>> distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Huh?
>>
>> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than
>> enough food for the whole planet.
>>
>> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
>> actually one of them.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there are
>> just too many of us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>>
>> Fuck politics.
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>>
>> :P
>>
>> HBD Jag.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're
>> whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the
>> idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or foreigners.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to
>> japan by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants
>> went in to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the
>> thai tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining
>> up, etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>>
>> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they
>> hate other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they
>> just want to be around their own kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Pride?
>>
>> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise
>> they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among
>> themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much
>> pride in their own race and country.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers
>> some similar stuff.
>>
>> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there
>> was a big stink.
>>
>> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now
>> where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs.
>>
>>
>>
>> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world
>> and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>>
>> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>>
>> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on
>> them.
>>
>> She is 83 now.
>>
>> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  HBD Jagson.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Japan please...
>>
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Haha thanks guys :)
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>>
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
>> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was
>> his birthday.
>>
>>
>>
>> In other news, HDB Jag.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> HBD Jag!
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>> services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally
>> distinct and separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information
>> about the structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be
>> obtained from your KPMG representative.
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