I hope you get the stigma. On 16 February 2015 at 16:56, Donaldson, Alasdair < alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Yes. I played it all the way through and watched the last scene after > the credits. Looked to me like the planet had survived there. > > > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:52 PM > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > "This is where I have an issue. Most resources on the planet are just as > vast as we think. Why not use up all the oil until it is gone? It’s not > like it serves a good purpose in nature. Once it’s gone, we’ll move onto > something else, or find a truly sustainable solution. What other resources > aren’t as vast?" > > > > Have you not played FF7 you barbarian. > > > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 16:49, Donaldson, Alasdair < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > As humans our population grows. Yes, we use more resources, but we’re > not like other animals, we’re able to reengineer the environment. We can > choose to plant a tree for every one that we cut down. > > > > Ah, there’s the major point – “*some resources are not as vast and > infinite as we think*”. > > This is where I have an issue. Most resources on the planet are just as > vast as we think. Why not use up all the oil until it is gone? It’s not > like it serves a good purpose in nature. Once it’s gone, we’ll move onto > something else, or find a truly sustainable solution. What other resources > aren’t as vast? > > > > The tequila diamond thing has been around for a few years now. After the > huge agate plant scare, they cut back on the idea. Now that the plants are > coming back, looks like it’s on the books again. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:35 PM > > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > You have a point but the whole we improve our techniques only apply to > some countries only. Some countries aren't improving and not sure if they > ever will... > > > > How does "The idea of ‘less is better’ for the environment is one of > those great ideas that sounds right and feels right and has zero basis in > logic"??? > > > > Using less resources would be better for the environment logically...it > encourage us to find different ways to replace natural resources. Recently > they found a way to make diamond out of tequilla and glass (something like > that) this would replace mining for diamonds. Which means we won't need to > dig up whole areas for diamonds anymore. Which could be put to better use. > Since mining destroys ecosystems. > > > > The issue i have is that some resources are not as vast and infinite as we > think. Some resources are irreplaceable and we're still abusing it. Oil for > example. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical techniques > have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus population. I > remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people that they should > take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the country some money. > He was joking, but only a little. > > > > The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world (which > there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea of ‘less is > better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that sounds right > and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for that is that > humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for nature. We adapt. We > improve our use of resources. > > > > If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of commodities > would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques and the use of > resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. That’s the kinds of > creature we are. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM > > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > Not every country improved their farming techniques though. > > > > Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce in > food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are living > longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old mouth > to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more farmlands, > fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming techniques, > genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc. > > There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years ago. > > > > China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food. Japan > hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US produces a > massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people with cash, but > not food, people will go back to farming. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM > > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > In a government and population dynamics, it varies. > > > > But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since we need > more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply our needs. > > > > Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is being > produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming because they > want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the media > promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is plummeting. Not > everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air conditioned rooms > and work 9-5. > > > > Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to switch to > insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on multiplying > and everything will be fine. > > Come on Stu. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good. > > > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in the > middle of all of this though. > > > > If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the > population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with > population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in > terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply wanting > even more? > > > > My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing in > half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my point is > that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how much > they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate how much > the really need :P > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > What? > > You do realize that you need more things for more people right ? > > Less people ~ less things needed. > > Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever. > > People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not > multiply like crazy. > > But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can have" > thing. > > > > Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most people > would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment. > > And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they > completely disregard it as someone else's problem. > > > > Basically Stu hates Earth. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or > whatever it is that allows them to be be happy. > > I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's fine > because everyone receiving is also paying. > > > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource > distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Huh? > > Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than > enough food for the whole planet. > > Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t > actually one of them. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM > > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there are > just too many of us. > > > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it. > > Fuck politics. > > On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters. > > :P > > HBD Jag. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're > whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the > idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or foreigners. > > > > Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to japan > by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants went in > to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the thai > tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining up, > etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Well there is a difference between pride and hating others. > > I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they hate > other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they just > want to be around their own kind. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Pride? > > It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM > > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise > they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among > themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much > pride in their own race and country. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers > some similar stuff. > > Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there > was a big stink. > > What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now > where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs. > > > > It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world > and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works. > > I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas. > > Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on > them. > > She is 83 now. > > To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much. > > > > It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised. > > > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > HBD Jagson. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get. > > On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Japan please... > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html > > On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Haha thanks guys :) > > On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :] > > > On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this > morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was > his birthday. > > > > In other news, HDB Jag. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > HBD Jag! > ------------------------------ > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally > privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in > error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to > the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, > is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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