RE: CTS community mail
- From: "Donaldson, Alasdair" <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:43:04 +0000
That is one the important things to remember here – that the change of scenery
thing may also be a case of grass greener. Or Jeeva’s being familiarity
breeding contempt. Anyways, random idioms aside, the Kami thing seems great
also because it is new and we haven’t had the opportunity for things to go
wrong.
Also, Jeeva doesn’t need us to defend him. If communication is an issue, talk
to the guy. I do get that he is providing a service, but sometimes (like the
Evo weekend), it’s been more than that. From your perspective, it seems like
his communication is not ‘open and honest’. It may simply be that the guy
didn’t think to tell us about the changed password. Or about being quiet until
we were already there. I haven’t been to enough sessions to know how things are
going or if there are problems with the Jeeva place. I just know from my job
that communication issues often screw up things badly and minor irritations
become major problems.
If we’re moving to Kami because it’s a better venue, then that’s great. If
we’re doing it because of communication issues with Jeeva, then I’d rather see
about fixing that.
From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of sameegh jardine
Sent: 17 November 2014 2:13 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: CTS community mail
My 2c.
I think a change of scenery is always refreshing. Jeeva's is awesome for
sustaining out existing routine which is pretty comfortable but doesn't provide
great exposure or visibility. I'm comfortable with either as a session venue
though.
I do think whatever venue we choose, it'd be better if there was a default
option. Based on what we've seen in the past, we know that many of us don't do
well with coordination. What's nice about the current setup is that anyone can
simply rock up on a Saturday and not have to ask where the session is going to
be, unless there's a tournament somewhere (once in a blue moon).
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
<nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
OK, cool.
I understand where you're coming from.
On 17 Nov 2014 13:48, "Ryan Williams"
<ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
That's all fine and good. I've already mentioned that I have no issues with him
building up the college and prioritising that. But I'm still paying to use the
venue. If I was there for free, I wouldn't say anything.
You don't have to be a 'good communicator' to communicate. It's got nothing to
do with being eloquent or being professional; it has everything to do with
being open and honest. Things are happening there that is not being
communicated. Jeeva CAN communicate the changes but CHOOSES not to. I refer to
'selective' communication yet again. If it suits him, he'll inform you about
it. If you don't need to know, you won't hear from him. If you don't agree, I
accept that, but I'm just going according to what I experienced this past
Saturday, and I wasn't the only one.
I'm not saying I'm ungrateful for what he's done and for allowing us to use his
venue and facilities, and I agree that we are fortunate to have what we have,
but I'm not the biggest fan of being left in the dark about everything that is
happening there now.
So look. We can continue to do what we do there and put up with having to 'keep
quiet' when it suits Jeeva and wait for the next change to happen that might
not even be communicated, as long as it's what everyone wants collectively. I
just want people to be able to enjoy themselves and make the most of the day.
If that's not happening, damn straight I'm going to look elsewhere.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
<nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
You're overthinking this.
Take it easy before you stroke out.
Jeeva has been busy building up the college, his prioroties lie there.
That makes us no2, Jeeves isn't the best at communicating or multitasking. At
least, that's what I'm assuming/speculating.
I've never seen myself as a paying customer and therefore never expect service
delivery.
For me it has always been more along the lines of, we get to use the venue,
here's a little something for your trouble.
I think we are really fortunate to have what we have already.
I'm mostly thankful for just that.
On 17 Nov 2014 13:11, "Ryan Williams"
<ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
If Jeeva honestly feels that we've overstayed our welcome, it wouldn't offend
me if he just said so *lol* Just be honest and say "Listen guys, unfortunately
I won't be able to accommodate you anymore because I'm looking to take things
in a different direction". I wouldn't have a problem with that because you were
up front with me about what's happening. Leaving things open to interpretation,
on the other hand, is a very dangerous thing.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Sean Carrington
<theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I'm all for Kamimodo as well (not just cuz of it's proximity lol).
Like Ashraf said it has that Gecco vibe to it that was really cool back in the
days, and it's a more gaming friendly place IMO.
Not to mention there's a bigger probability to attrack more gamers there...
well i think.
I wouldn't know about how Jeeva feels but should it really be the case that
we've overstayed our welcome, it's only natural.
We've been there for quite a long time so it wouldn't be a surprise.
I'm down with Kamimodo if the rates are fair enough for everyon :) #MovingON
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:42 PM, lindsey kiviets
<lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I like this idea the most.
Thank you nick.
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:32:47 +0200
Subject: Re: CTS community mail
From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I dunno what to say about Jeeva.
I know this.
He wants us there. He won't want us to leave. He lacks communication.
Here's what I have to say.
I like Kamimodo, but Jeeva's is nearer.
Jeeva is lighter on the pocket, but we have to deal with bs.
Kamimodo is more expensive, but the exposure is awesome.
In my opinion, the best way to deal with this diplomatically, would be to ask
Jeeva if there will be any meetings and shit in the week, and then relocate for
that weekend.
If there's no-one at Jeevas, have a session there instead.
That way, we can keep the communication on the level, and let both parties know
how we operate.
Whoever needs us the most, will make the most effort.
Thoughts?
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