Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:22:24 +0200

*Charge characters *can't* walk forward and do cr.mk hadou.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> They must have the movesets of Ryu but they mustn't be a charge characters.
>
> You can copy Ryu's entire moveset onto a charge character and you'll have
> ST Chun or DJ.  It wouldn't be a shoto.
>
> However, if you made Ryu's hadouken a QCB motion, he'd still be a shoto.
>
> The charge requirement changes things drastically.  Charge characters can
> walk forward and do cr.mk hadou.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:15 PM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> by your theory then if they are not chrage then naturally they are shotso
>> is false, because znaagief and hawk are not charge characters.
>>
>> your thoerim is fail.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:13:03 +0200
>>
>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> They don't have to be the same commands.  They just must not be charge
>> characters.  Otherwise ST Chun and DJ would be shotos.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:10 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Dude, by that logic, Shen is a shoto. That is absurd.
>>
>> I think that it is as Illitrit said, because of the broad definition of
>> what a 'shoto' is, you can't just apply which ever definition you like to a
>> character and then say that character is a shoto, as those fools over that
>> Street Fighter wikia have done.
>>
>>
>> I don't think Maxi is a shoto since he isn't the main soul cali character
>> nor are his movements that of a 'conventional fighter' (one of the
>> coolest/unique characters in the game... IMO).
>>
>> Iori, while nothing like Ryu, does have the basic elements of the game in
>> his playstyle... much more so than Daimon or Choi, for example. Sure, he
>> has a fireball and an uppercut, but that isn't what makes him a 'shoto' of
>> the game.
>>
>> Kage in VF... man I hate that game...lol, but from the little that I
>> know, I think that Akira dude is probably more the "shoto".
>>
>> TL:DR -> Fuck other definitions. Shotos have fireballs, uppercuts and a
>> spinning kick move (same commands) and are the basic characters of the game
>> .
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:00 PM, lindsey kiviets 
>> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>> I can see makoto being classed as a shoto. She dnt hav magical powers to
>> control horizontal space, bt she has a fast dash punch. So she although its
>> short , uses herself as a firebal in essence.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:51:26 +0200
>>
>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> From: sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> Not sure... What I meant was, like, a Flash Kick going downwards... a dp
>> killer :-) EX is a projectile :-) Yup.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>> *lol* Didn't Charlie have something like that in Xmen vs Street Fighter?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:40 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> On that note, Guile has to get an aerial Flash kick.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>> It has EVERYTHING to do with how they play.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>> Ah k
>>
>> So a character being referred to as a Shoto has nothing to do with how
>> they play but how they look?
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:58:47 +0200
>>
>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> From: eetcarr@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Sagat mos a Mui Thai dude. Kick boxer. Shotokan is an actual discipline
>> of Karate.
>> So i guess you could say whoever wears a Karate outfit "gi" in the game
>> are shoto or shoto based. Dan akuma ken ryu. Sakura?
>>
>> People, back me up here
>>
>>
>> On 12 February 2014 13:55, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Hehe
>>
>> I barely play the game :P
>> Thats just how it seems to me.
>>
>> Serious question then
>> What is a shoto?
>> Why would Sagat not be a shoto?
>>
>> Just wondering
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:50:05 +0200
>>
>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> From: eetcarr@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> Sagat = Shoto? dont seem like it
>>
>>
>> On 12 February 2014 13:48, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> In my head
>>
>> projectile + shoryu = shoto
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:44:48 +0200
>>
>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> From: ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> Must be because he has a dragon punch *lmao*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>> > wrote:
>>
>> VF Kage a shoto.......  yeeeah no.
>>
>> On 12/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Hmmm. I never bothered to watch it on normal res, at least now I can
>> see if
>> > for the first time in all its glory.
>> >
>> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>> > Sent: 12 February 2014 1:10 PM
>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> >
>> > Did a random google...
>> >
>> > Never realised the re-released Planetes on Blu ray.  (Ages ago aswell
>> > lol..)
>> >
>> > I need that asap!
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:29:41 +0000
>> > Nah, not watching yet, but also heard good things about it on the
>> forums.
>> > Is it done? I'm not going to start watching something that's not
>> finished
>> > yet.
>> >
>> > Speaking of which is that Killakill thing done yet?
>> >
>> >
>> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>> > Sent: 12 February 2014 10:28 AM
>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> >
>> > Anyone watching this?
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi:_The_Labyrinth_of_Magic
>> > Friend says it's good.  I'll give it a watch.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Wynand-Ben
>> > <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> > Mushishi was good
>> >
>> > Girls und Panzer was random fun (Tank battles as a highschool sport lol)
>> >
>> > I could never get into Fairy Tail..
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:23:49 +0000
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.moetron.com/2014/02/08/spring-2014-visual-guide-anime-schedule-pv-collection/
>> >
>> > New JoJo and Mushishi that I'll probably check out eventually.
>> >
>> > Also Girls und Panzer OVA and the last of the Freezing Vibrations OVAs
>> for
>> > the fanservice side.
>> >
>> > Not sure what the new Fairy Tail thing is about.
>> >
>> >
>> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>> > On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>> > Sent: 12 February 2014 10:20 AM
>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> >
>> > Most of them bitched about the plot in the first 2 aswell.
>> >
>> > I found them acceptable...
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:49:58 +0000
>> > Same here.
>> >
>> > What's killing me is that Paas was saying that he's read reviews and
>> they
>> > say the gameplay is all good, but the story is a bit meh. The story is
>> the
>> > main reason I play FF.
>> >
>> > Meh, I'm back at work today. Had a meeting with a client at 9am. Got
>> out of
>> > bed around 8am. Yawn.
>> >
>> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>> > Sent: 11 February 2014 10:08 PM
>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> >
>> > I will probably be grabbing it...
>> >
>> > :P
>> > ________________________________
>> > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:06:45 +0200
>> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> > From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Just you.
>> >
>> > On 11 February 2014 21:10, sameegh jardine
>> > <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> > So who's getting FF13:Lightning returns?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>> > <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank goodness I'm not an experienced player.
>> > I just read Ilitirit's mind, and then Ultra.
>> > On 11 Feb 2014 19:56, "Ilitirit Sama"
>> > <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Because experienced players know when and when not to backdash.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:58 PM, G B
>> > <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> > That option select nonsense... ugh. I used them for a week but I never
>> once
>> > got a free hit. Stopped using it since.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:57 PM, G B
>> > <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yeah. I think some of it is also attributed to me thinking that SF is so
>> > knockdown-setup/unblockable based that... its all I look for. Well, at
>> least
>> > what I look for from my opponent, because I don't know any real setups
>> aside
>> > from jump in with hp (which works, LOL).
>> > From what you've told me about playing Sakura, the only things I kept
>> was
>> > 'use st.hk<http://st.hk> as a poke', 'ex tatsu -> ultra 1',  'uryo
>> knockdown
>> > setup' and 'cr.hp if they jump'. I'd say 'don't jump' but LOL, I still
>> do
>> > that without even thinking about it, :-).
>> > ...and basically, that is all I need to win matches. or its least, to
>> put up
>> > a fight. The rest of the stuff I react to as we play. That's why I'm
>> > 'twitchy', especially when the game is slow. That's when the random
>> tatsus
>> > come out or I start jumping, etc, the game can start picking up again,
>> to
>> > the pace I like/used to play at.
>> > I will say that dealing with these many hard knockdown's and ambiguity
>> of
>> > jump-in moves is probably the biggest challenge I've had to face in SF.
>> In
>> > KOF, getting a hard knockdown rather is rather rare and obviously, with
>> CD
>> > blow backs and escape rolls, getting a breather is a bit simpler.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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