Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 14:15:10 +0200

I'm not happy about the changes in USFIV.  The game is going to become slow
and boring.

Because of low pushback + low blockstun + easy inputs + easy reversal, it's
super risky to go for ground pressure.  So everyone just goes for ambiguous
x-up oki/unblockables on wakeup.  This made throws and sweeps relevant
because they lead to hard knockdowns.  But the downside was that it only
benefited characters with strong x-ups and knockdown setups.

To remedy that, Capcom added delayed wakeup.  But they didn't buff
alternate methods of pressuring the opponent!  So how are you supposed to
score damage now?  Have they not learned anything from SFxT?

On top of that, they inexplicably nerfed hard techniques for scoring hard
knockdowns.  For example, Gen now needs to spend meter to get a hard
knockdown.  Why?  They're mostly useless now because of delayed wake up.
Gief's EX Greenhand was buffed so that it knocked down like in Vanilla and
Super, but they reverted the buff.  Why?

It just seems that their changes are meaningless except for a handful of
characters who don't rely on hard knockdowns.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Teeeken isn't mainstream anymore.
> Ultra Street Fighter 4 character notes
> *Cammy:* Combofiend said Cammy is "not any different than before" and
> that "she's still very viable." Evans added that all of her bread and
> butter combos still work. They did say she doesn't get counter hit cr.HP
> into Ultra 1 anymore, and she does a bit less stun, but otherwise she's
> very similar. - *FU KHAN WOOOOOOOOOOP*
> *Cody:* They said anything that puts the opponent in a float state can be
> used to combo with his knife afterwards. Someone in the comments here on
> EHubs was quoted and they said they were worried "it was just one setup"
> where he got this, but the guys said it's applicable in other situations,
> like off of a Crack Kick and more. It's just one additional hit, though. - 
> *E. Honda:* His 8 frame ultra 1 was changed because on mid-sized
> characters and up, he got his Hundred Hands into Ultra 1 every time, and
> the guys said it made him a bit absurd.
> *El Fuerte:* His st.LK lost its ability to cancel because it went from 5
> frames to 3 frames, and they didn't want him to st.LK, run, stop, st.LK all
> day long, because it's so fast, but Combofiend suggested doing cr.MK into
> run stop instead.
> *Gen:* There's quite a few changes to this character. The idea is that
> you need to spend meter to get a hard knockdown with him now, though.
> Combofiend felt he's still "very, very good" but you just have to spend
> meter to get a hard knockdown.  - *FU KHAN WOOOOOOOOOOP*
> *Ibuki:* Nothing [bad] happened to Ibuki in this game, Combofiend said.
> She actually got better. Her hitboxes hit lower, she has slightly better
> footsies, and her EX DP got better as well.
> *Ryu:* The guys said you can play more of your own style of Ryu now, as
> he has more options to show off with in USF4. He's still the solid
> character that he was before, but he can show off now. Ultra 2 is a lot
> more viable, too.
> *Seth:* This character was called a work in progress, and Combofiend said
> "he's by no means anywhere near his final form, yet." He added they want to
> make him stronger and better, and less based around gimmicks.
> *Vega:* Combofiend said that Vega's cr.LP being +5 on hit was very
> powerful when he tried it against some top Claw players. With the buff,
> Vega was capable of just mashing that move, and if he landed it, he could
> hit confirm into combos, and if he didn't it was safe. When they had it
> that way, it felt like the strongest of his changes. "A little too strong,"
> said Combofiend. At another point in the stream, Rosas started talking
> about Vega once again. "He has the tools to be effective, it's just really
> hard to be effective with him," said Rosas. He elaborated that they're
> trying to give him good tools without making him overpowered by default,
> putting him in his own tier. He said he's one of the harder characters to
> balance. They did say they know what Vega players want, about four things,
> and they're still working on him.
> ------------------------------
> From: numotd@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:20:59 +0200
> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Agree on MainMan...
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Ashraf, just use June against him *lol*
> MainMan is an idiot.
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> FT5 salty runback? Sure thing.
> But I apologise in advance to the other guys if it's not fun to watch,
> since it's going to be a very one sided affair in my favor.
> MainMan butthurt about no TTT2 at Evo. I get it, but why diss Marvel?
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