Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:01:36 +0200

dont pettin my bru


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> I prefer to coward.
>
> On 06/02/2014, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > there is no other way to play
> >
> > From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:50:09 +0000
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lol LB. You play SF like I play Diablo - Facetank and hope for the best.
> If
> > you're dying, just hit harder.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
> >
> > Sent: 06 February 2014 2:45 PM
> >
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > iin order of easiest to hardest
> >
> >
> >
> > baiting
> >
> > inception
> >
> > reaction ---> I play in this area.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 14:40:39 +0200
> >
> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> > From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Yeah it's baiting at the simplest level, but with anything more complex
> then
> > it's like Inception.  You put an idea into their head and make them think
> > they wanted to do it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  .........baited feeling x rated
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 14:24:42 +0200
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> > From:
> > ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's an example that even you should be able to grasp:
> >
> > 3rd Strike - you play Chun, I'm Ken.  Every time I whiff a move, you try
> to
> > whiff punish.  So I whiff
> > st.lk, see you try to whiff punish, and then Super'd you.  You think it
> was
> > just reaction, but I created a situation that made you react in a certain
> > way.  In other words, I "made" you press that button.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > If your
> > cr.mk is getting swept all the time then your spacing and footsies in
> > general suck.  The idea is to do it out of range so that the only way
> the DP
> > will come out is when the opponent walks forward.
> >
> > To understand why your footsies suck you will also need to understand
> how I
> > read your fireball once at quarter screen distance with Ken then Ultra'd
> > through it.
> >  You said you couldn't understand how I read that since you didn't throw
> a
> > fireball the entire round.  What you don't understand is that I made you
> > throw that fireball.  It sounds crazy, but it's true, and the same
> concept
> > applies to footsies, except the reactions
> >  you try to get from your opponent are much more subtle.  There's a
> segment
> > in the Infilitration vs Tokido matchup where Infiltration starts walking
> > back and forward.  The only reason he does it is to get Tokido to do the
> > same thing.  As soon as Tokido does
> >  it, he walks forward and sweeps him.  I'll post the clip later if I can
> > find it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Meh, the
> > cr.mk thing was cool but it just gets swept all the time or something
> like
> > that. Too risky on block too, dp is really unsafe. I'd rather toss out
> the
> > st.hk than the
> > cr.mk, because you can't really focus it, unless I'm really close or the
> > focus attack is really good (Dudley), so its mindless poking.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thats why I do it twice or more, without even thinking, because if you
> focus
> > and release, you focus will whiff and I'll kick you again for x2
> > st.hk dmg. If it hits, most people actually advance or just don't
> realise
> > how fast and far-reaching it is, and I get another hit again, sometimes
> I'll
> > just do it again, just like jumping. After getting sick of eating
> >  that, most people jump and then get blown up by cr.hp. Its all I have to
> > do.
> >
> > Then somewhere in between I left the frustration kick in and wait for an
> > opening for some combos and yay, I win.
> >
> > EX Tatsu stuff is really bad though, besides on block, I just do that to
> > advance or have nothing better to do. Unless the spacing is impeccable,
> > using it to beat
> >  fireballs is not so great. Sometimes only one of the kicks it and it
> leave
> > you open or you land somewhere in front. Its a great option but if I
> could
> > read the fireball, I might as well jump in instead, the outcome is the
> same
> > anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Besides the fact that that's a REALLY stupid way of approaching a match,
> why
> > don't you have the same approach to footsies?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "I figure if I always poke, you won't punish me every time"
> >
> > cr.mk is a GREAT poke because of the conversion into big damage (shouken
> > FADC into most boring combo ever).
> > st.hk controls so much space and is very hard to whiff punish.  Plus she
> > also has that retarded Focus Attack.  If I react with tatsu using Ryu,
> she
> > ducks under it.  If I react with
> > cr.mk xx DP, she hops over it.  Such a dumb character...
> >
> > If you have trouble getting in on someone like Seth, just walk forward
> and
> > block.  He doesn't have the ground mobility to keep up in footsies so
> he'll
> > either
> >  dash forward into shenanigans, do the Electrolux special (you can react
> to
> > this), dash back to create space, or jump.  If you have trouble with
> > fireballs, try EX Tatsu instead of jumping.
> >
> >
> >
> > vs. Rose slide, just do Focus Attack.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:05 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You guys make me jump -_-
> >
> > If I don't jump and you actually fireball, then I'm like "fuck, I should
> > have jumped".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > meh, I figure if I always jump, you won't AA every single time, you
> probably
> > going to expect me to change what I'm going to do, sometime. I just need
> to
> > get in once or twice to win with Sakura. One good combo and one ex tatsu
> > into U1. :-)
> >
> >
> > But you guys like Steve,Rod and Salie are too stubborn, or more stubborn
> > than I am! "Oh, this is working. Ok, why change? Make me." -_- Then I
> just
> > go in and
> >  see what happens :-D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And yet you keep jumping in recklessly and getting punished...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:55 AM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Yup, because that move lost me life. Lets never do that again.
> >
> > Sap, I'm doing Soul Spiral backdash and slides forever now and going to
> win.
> > Rose unfair.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which is
> > probably what happened.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > FTFY.
> >
> >
> >
> > Told you many times before, you play too conservatively during footsies.
> > You get whiff punished once and then you never press that button again.
> >
> >
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> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > GG Sap. Please die and burn in hell with Rose.
> >
> > Seriously, its feels 7-3 to Rose.
> >
> >
> >
> > Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which is
> > impossible.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > *lol* Dragonball Z: Hyper Dimension. Check out the matches :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/PhoenixSA
> >
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> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > wavedashing? what game is this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Wait until you see the wavedashing *lol*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't even know that was possible :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > *lol*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > That Lumi combo is so legit !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 February 2014 18:06, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks dude !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 February 2014 16:31, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > All the DBZ vids are up :) Hope you guys enjoy reliving the hype *lol*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> > <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Reading in the Barb thread and some guy has made a pure thorns Barb. The
> > point was to see if he could kill opponents without pressing a single
> button
> > - combo
> >  of thorns + life regen.
> >
> > He tested the barb against Diablo in MP0. It took half an hour for
> Diablo to
> > die, but it worked.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Di Lhong
> >
> > Sent: 05 February 2014 3:48 PM
> >
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Who needs GTA when you have Goat Simulator!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTQglGvNUs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> > <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://myanimelist.net/anime/10456/Kyoukaisenjou_no_Horizon
> >
> >
> >
> > Some guy on one of my forums recommended it.
> >
> > I think I'm going to delete that Unbreakable Machine thing. The complete
> > lack of originality grates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> >
> > Sent: 05 February 2014 3:39 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Horizon does not ring a bell...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:37:13 +0000
> >
> > Yeah, since games overtook movies as the biggest media profit area, the
> > situation was bound to change.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Paas, do you have Horizon lying around? I mean the anime series.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> >
> > Sent: 05 February 2014 3:32 PM
> >
> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When cost to produce games increased exponentially but game prices stay
> > essentially the same for over a decade...  people start getting creative
> :P
> >
> >
> >
> > In short
> >
> >
> >
> > Money happened
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>
> >
> >> What ever happened to just releasing a game?
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> > Hahaha
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > wrote:
> >
> >> >> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure USD30 is a real
> >> >> bargain
> >
> >> >> for
> >
> >> >> a 5min speedrun game.
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of Kojima pulling
> the
> >
> >> >> story
> >
> >> >> out of his ass.
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >
> >> >> On
> >
> >> >> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> >
> >> >> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
> >
> >> >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >> >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2. Cant remember it ever being
> >
> >> >> advertised as a proper game.
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> Thats how I understood it from the start...
> >
> >> >> ________________________________
> >
> >> >> From:
> > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >> To:
> > cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >> >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
> >
> >> >> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5 minutes are spend
> >> >> hiding.
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual gameplay. Yup, sounds like
> >
> >> >> MGS...
> >
> >> >> Hopefully they will have a heavy pseudo-intellectual storyline to go
> >
> >> >> along
> >
> >> >> with it.
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> From:
> > cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
> >
> >> >> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
> >
> >> >> To:
> > cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> Disappointment of the week
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >>
> >
> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >
> >> >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source code (without
> assets,
> >> >> of
> >
> >> >> course)
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >
> >> >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Watched it live. It will be on their YouTube channel in the next day
> >> >> or
> >
> >> >> so.
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
> >
> >> >> <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Link -_-
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >
> >> >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido? Highest level of Akuma play
> >
> >> >> I've
> >
> >> >> seen. SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on fast reactions
> >
> >> >> and
> >
> >> >> situational awareness. In one situation Tokido did a combo into reset
> >
> >> >> and
> >
> >> >> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP. He did this
> >> >> because
> >
> >> >> he
> >
> >> >> was calculating the stun values in his head. Infiltration went for
> the
> >
> >> >> DP,
> >
> >> >> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy. So pro.
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> >
> >> >> <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> From:
> > cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
> >
> >> >> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
> >
> >> >> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
> >
> >> >> To:
> > cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> Go back to sleep.
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
> >
> >> >> <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Did someone say SFxT ?
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
> >
> >> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
> >
> >> >> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
> >
> >> >>
> >
> >> >> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did not get copy i
> >> >>> had
> >
> >> >>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was gears of war
> player
> >
> >> >>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
> >
> >> >>>
> >
> >> >>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >
> >> >>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and friendly .i had a
> >
> >> >>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox and ps3 and
> >> >>>> will
> >
> >> >>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most platforms c what
> games
> >> >>>> r
> >
> >> >>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c it sound interesting.ill try 2 come 2
> >
> >> >>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
> >
> >> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
> >
> >> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO. My user name is ilitirit but I
> >> >>>>> don't
> >
> >> >>>>> play
> >
> >> >>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work. We play on SupArc now.
> >
> >> >>>>> It's
> >
> >> >>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a lobby if you want
> >> >>>>> to.
> >
> >> >>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in Bellville?
> >
> >> >>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
> >
> >> >>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed many ggpo kof
> >
> >> >>>>>> 2002
> >
> >> >>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all cheats 2 no
> >
> >> >>>>>> profit
> >
> >> >>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other platforms.smash or b
> >
> >> >>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
> >
> >> >>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
> >
> >> >>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it was me?
> >
> >> >>>>>> >
> >
> >> >>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital, this man is
> >> >>>>>> > about
> >
> >> >>>>>> > to
> >
> >> >>>>>> have a
> >
> >> >>>>>> > heart-attack.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >
> >
> >> >>>>>> >
> >
> >> >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
> >
> >> >>>>>> > <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>>> >
> >
> >> >>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of Telkom
> >
> >> >>>>>> >> Claremont.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security... *facepalm*.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
> >
> >> >>>>>> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced
> >> >>>>>> >>> subjectively...
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>> See
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction hypothesis,
> or
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>> google
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so' applicable
> >> >>>>>> >>> example.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the title of the
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> article
> >
> >> >>>>>> or
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within the
> Hedge
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> Fund
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be seen in
> >> >>>>>> >>>> the
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> quant
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made R1 turn
> >> >>>>>> >>>> into
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> R500,
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> if
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right time). Testing for
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> adaption
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> here
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of work. HFs
> is
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> also
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> the
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I corrected
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> this
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> when
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> I
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis, they'd
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> implement
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> like,
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4 or 5 have
> >> >>>>>> >>>> any
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> statical
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to the
> extent
> >> >>>>>> >>>> of
> >
> >> >>>>>> running
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> a
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first... which is
> >> >>>>>> >>>> akin
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> to
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the best
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> variables
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> that
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> fit
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using a
> >> >>>>>> >>>> data-base
> >
> >> >>>>>> first,
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the variables
> >> >>>>>> >>>> and
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> the
> >
> >> >>>>>> ANN
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> is
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the computer
> decide
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> what
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> it
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think so.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get garbage
> >> >>>>>> >>>> out,
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> that
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> is
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so yeah, people
> >> >>>>>> >>>> have
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> used
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> GA's
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program it and I
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> would
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> is
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn differently,
> >> >>>>>> >>>> just
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> as
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> we
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> do.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there are
> >> >>>>>> >>>> economic
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> shocks,
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices will
> adjust
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> accordingly
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual, they won't
> >
> >> >>>>>> necessarily
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> be
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't always
> >> >>>>>> >>>> wait
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> for
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> some
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make money.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> As you've said, I don't want to match the market at all,
> else
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> I'd
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> go
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the market
> >> >>>>>> >>>> values
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> it
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> at
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> and
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often than not.If I
> >> >>>>>> >>>> had
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> a
> >
> >> >>>>>> basic
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on whether a
> >> >>>>>> >>>> stock
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> falls
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn money, I'd
> >> >>>>>> >>>> be
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> a
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> @GB
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock market.
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> It
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> seems
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most of these funds
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> are
> >
> >> >>>>>> already
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of GAs though).
> Was
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> that
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> paper
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers a lot of the
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> questions
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> I
> >
> >> >>>>>> had.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> It
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before the data
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> is
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> run
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> on
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> live
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
> >
> >> >>>>>> which
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> is
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned. They try to adjust to past
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> performance
> >
> >> >>>>>> in
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result. However, most GAs
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> don't
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> take
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> into
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so they fail
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> miserably
> >
> >> >>>>>> when
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> they
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data. The best they can do
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> is
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> to
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> try
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> to
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription. The link should be
> at
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> the
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages. Give me his email
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> address.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added Hilton
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> and
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From:
> > ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> To:
> > cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones where I
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> can
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> see
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading soon :)
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
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> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
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> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because LB knows
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