Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 13:39:31 +0200

OMG...

Dude, what you're throwing away is damage, positioning and an opportunity
to mixup. You're trading that in for a single hitting move that pales in
comparison to the damage and benefits you can reap from a confirmed cr.MK
into DP!

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Meh, the cr.mk thing was cool but it just gets swept all the time or
> something like that. Too risky on block too, dp is really unsafe. I'd
> rather toss out the st.hk than the cr.mk, because you can't really focus
> it, unless I'm really close or the focus attack is really good (Dudley), so
> its mindless poking.
>
> Thats why I do it twice or more, without even thinking, because if you
> focus and release, you focus will whiff and I'll kick you again for x2
> st.hk dmg. If it hits, most people actually advance or just don't realise
> how fast and far-reaching it is, and I get another hit again, sometimes
> I'll just do it again, just like jumping. After getting sick of eating
> that, most people jump and then get blown up by cr.hp. Its all I have to do.
>
> Then somewhere in between I left the frustration kick in and wait for an
> opening for some combos and yay, I win.
>
> EX Tatsu stuff is really bad though, besides on block, I just do that to
> advance or have nothing better to do. Unless the spacing is impeccable,
> using it to beat fireballs is not so great. Sometimes only one of the kicks
> it and it leave you open or you land somewhere in front. Its a great option
> but if I could read the fireball, I might as well jump in instead, the
> outcome is the same anyway.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Besides the fact that that's a REALLY stupid way of approaching a match,
>> why don't you have the same approach to footsies?
>>
>> "I figure if I always poke, you won't punish me every time"
>>
>> cr.mk is a GREAT poke because of the conversion into big damage (shouken
>> FADC into most boring combo ever).  st.hk controls so much space and is
>> very hard to whiff punish.  Plus she also has that retarded Focus Attack.
>> If I react with tatsu using Ryu, she ducks under it.  If I react with
>> cr.mk xx DP, she hops over it.  Such a dumb character...
>>
>> If you have trouble getting in on someone like Seth, just walk forward
>> and block.  He doesn't have the ground mobility to keep up in footsies so
>> he'll either dash forward into shenanigans, do the Electrolux special (you
>> can react to this), dash back to create space, or jump.  If you have
>> trouble with fireballs, try EX Tatsu instead of jumping.
>>
>> vs. Rose slide, just do Focus Attack.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:05 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> You guys make me jump -_-
>>> If I don't jump and you actually fireball, then I'm like "fuck, I should
>>> have jumped".
>>>
>>> meh, I figure if I always jump, you won't AA every single time, you
>>> probably going to expect me to change what I'm going to do, sometime. I
>>> just need to get in once or twice to win with Sakura. One good combo and
>>> one ex tatsu into U1. :-)
>>>
>>> But you guys like Steve,Rod and Salie are too stubborn, or more stubborn
>>> than I am! "Oh, this is working. Ok, why change? Make me." -_- Then I just
>>> go in and see what happens :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> And yet you keep jumping in recklessly and getting punished...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:55 AM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yup, because that move lost me life. Lets never do that again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sap, I'm doing Soul Spiral backdash and slides forever now and going
>>>>> to win. Rose unfair.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which is 
>>>>>> *probably
>>>>>>> what happened*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FTFY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Told you many times before, you play too conservatively during
>>>>>> footsies.  You get whiff punished once and then you never press that 
>>>>>> button
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GG Sap. Please die and burn in hell with Rose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously, its feels 7-3 to Rose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which is
>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *lol* Dragonball Z: Hyper Dimension. Check out the matches :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/PhoenixSA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wavedashing? what game is this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wait until you see the wavedashing *lol*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't even know that was possible :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *lol*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That Lumi combo is so legit !
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 18:06, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks dude !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 16:31, Ryan Williams 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the DBZ vids are up :) Hope you guys enjoy reliving the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hype *lol*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Reading in the Barb thread and some guy has made a pure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thorns Barb. The point was to see if he could kill opponents 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressing a single button - combo of thorns + life regen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He tested the barb against Diablo in MP0. It took half an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hour for Diablo to die, but it worked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:48 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who needs GTA when you have Goat Simulator!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTQglGvNUs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  http://myanimelist.net/anime/10456/Kyoukaisenjou_no_Horizon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some guy on one of my forums recommended it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I'm going to delete that Unbreakable Machine thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The complete lack of originality grates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horizon does not ring a bell...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:37:13 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, since games overtook movies as the biggest media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profit area, the situation was bound to change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Paas, do you have Horizon lying around? I mean the anime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When cost to produce games increased exponentially but game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prices stay essentially the same for over a decade...  people 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creative :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Money happened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > What ever happened to just releasing a game?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hahaha
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure USD30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a real bargain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> a 5min speedrun game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojima pulling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> out of his ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2. Cant remember it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> advertised as a proper game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Thats how I understood it from the start...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are spend hiding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual gameplay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> MGS...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Hopefully they will have a heavy pseudo-intellectual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> storyline to go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Disappointment of the week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (without assets, of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> course)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Watched it live. It will be on their YouTube channel in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the next day or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Link -_-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido? Highest level
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Akuma play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> seen. SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fast reactions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> situational awareness. In one situation Tokido did a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combo into reset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> was calculating the stun values in his head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infiltration went for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> DP,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy. So pro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> [
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Go back to sleep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Did someone say SFxT ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not get copy i had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gears of war player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friendly .i had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ps3 and will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms c what games r
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c it sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.ill try 2 come 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO. My user name is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ilitirit but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work. We play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on SupArc now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lobby if you want to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bellville?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many ggpo kof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> 2002
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheats 2 no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> profit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms.smash or b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this man is about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > heart-attack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Telkom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Claremont.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *facepalm*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priced subjectively...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> See
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hypothesis, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applicable example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the title of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the Hedge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Fund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be seen in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> quant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made R1 turn into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> R500,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time). Testing for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> adaption
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of work. HFs is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-) I corrected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analysis, they'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe 4 or 5 have any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> statical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went to the extent of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first... which is akin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> variables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> fit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> algorithm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a data-base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> first,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the variables and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> ANN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get garbage out,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yeah, people have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program it and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are economic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> shocks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prices will adjust
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> accordingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, they won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't always wait
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> As you've said, I don't want to match the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market at all, else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the market values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than not.If I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> basic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether a stock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> falls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earn money, I'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> @GB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stock market. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of these funds are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GAs though). Was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> had.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the data is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned. They try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adjust to past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, most GAs don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> miserably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best they can do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link should be at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages. Give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me his email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kiviets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added Hilton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphones where I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uploading soon :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barendse <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because LB knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>
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