RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
- From: Sean Carrington <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:20:41 +0200
Just tired of these telkom thugs honestly.
On 03 Feb 2014 4:16 PM, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Lmao wtf?
>
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> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:10:56 +0200
> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> From: theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> I think I'm troubled.
>
> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of Telkom Claremont.
> I was escorted out of the mall by security... *facepalm*.
> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B" <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced subjectively... See
> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction hypothesis, or google
> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so' applicable example.
>
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> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the title of the article or
> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>
> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within the Hedge Fund
> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be seen in the quant
> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made R1 turn into R500, if
> you were at the right place at the right time). Testing for adaption here
> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of work. HFs is also the
> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>
> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I corrected this when I
> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis, they'd implement like,
> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4 or 5 have any statical
> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to the extent of running a
> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first... which is akin to
> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the best variables that fit
> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
>
> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using a data-base first,
> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the variables and the ANN is
> what does all the decision making. Having the computer decide what it
> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think so.
>
> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get garbage out, that is how
> it works with these black box machines, so yeah, people have used GA's
> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program it and I would is
> totally different, which means it would learn differently, just as we do.
>
> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there are economic shocks,
> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices will adjust accordingly
> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual, they won't necessarily be
> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't always wait for some
> kind of external economic movement to make money.
>
> As you've said, I don't want to match the market at all, else I'd go
> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the market values it at and
> those are often subjective prices, more often than not.If I had a basic
> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on whether a stock falls
> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn money, I'd be a
> billionaire by now.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> @GB
>
> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock market. It seems some
> Hedge Funds use them already, but most of these funds are already defunct
> (probably not because of the use of GAs though). Was that paper you
> mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers a lot of the questions I had. It
> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before the data is run on live
> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from "over-fitting", which is
> something I also mentioned. They try to adjust to past performance in
> order to generate an expected result. However, most GAs don't take into
> account random fluctuations in the result, so they fail miserably when they
> try to derive patterns from the data. The best they can do is to try to
> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> He needs to confirm the subscription. The link should be at the bottom of
> any of the admins' messages. Give me his email address.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> lol,
>
> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added Hilton myself , and it
> seems he is not added to the mails.
>
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> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>
> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> From: ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones where I can see em, or
> else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>
> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading soon :)
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx
> > wrote:
>
> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>
> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because LB knows this.
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